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>"You aren't using that to excuse stealing land from your Mexican neighbor, today," I am satisfied with the land I have. But let's not kid ourselves, the only
by Crito 11y ago
>"You aren't using that to excuse stealing land from your Mexican neighbor, today,"
I am satisfied with the land I have. But let's not kid ourselves, the only reason wars of conquest are uncommon today is because the cost typically exceeds the potential reward.
> "ethical disaster that is eating meat?"
I cannot derive sympathy for food from my value system. Unless you are prepared to impose your value system on me by force (in your value system, is that so different from wars of conquest?), that isn't going to change.
> "If you want to keep eating meat because you just don't care, say so."
Didn't I just?
> "Unless you are also supporting slavery/segregation, returning to no legal interracial or LGBTQ marriage, a world without child labor laws, a world with no vote for women, etc. you really shouldn't use that excuse."
Do you find that meat eaters usually back down when you compare them to racists and homophobes?
I don't. I've never seen somebody become a vegan in response to this line of rhetoric, which could just as well be applied to any tradition. I am sure you must have some traditions of your own; will you abandon them if I tell you that racism is also a tradition?
It's not effective persuasive rhetoric, so what is it? It's combative rhetoric which is meant to shame people into silence.
- SwellJoe 11y ago> "Didn't I just?" You made an appeal to tradition. I don't believe tradition is sufficient cause to not acknowledge something is damaging the environment on a massive scale. Fossil fuels are also a tradition (though a short lived one), but it doesn't make it "right". > "I cannot drive sympathy for food from my value system." Then how do you feel about climate change? Because that is part of this ethical equation, as well. Billions of people eating meat is comparable to billions of people driving cars and burning coal for electricity. > "Do you find that meat eaters usually back down when you compare them to racists and homophobes?" Actually, I usually find that I am shouted down or voted down whenever suggesting that eating meat is unethical. I don't expect meat eaters to back down, as they are in the huge majority and will never have trouble finding support among almost any group.