Just because that at that point in time they didn't have the "brand" or association yet, it doesn't mean they don't belong to the same group of people. Or do yo

Just because that at that point in time they didn't have the "brand" or association yet, it doesn't mean they don't belong to the same group of people. Or do you also think that during the Eighty Years' War people already knew they were at the half when forty years passed?