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I'm not saying there's an agenda or any advertising. This is just an example of one of my pet peeves about the Android ecosystem as a developer on it, low level

by jc4p 11y ago

I'm not saying there's an agenda or any advertising. This is just an example of one of my pet peeves about the Android ecosystem as a developer on it, low level "power users" who don't really know what they're doing complaining about things that scare them. I mentioned the Blackberry article not because I think it's shady advertising, but just to point that out from my perspective anyone who thinks the Blackberry Priv is a great "one of the best Android handsets" simply does either not have enough exposure to the Android ecosystem or is just someone whose opinion I don't hold highly.

Thimothy 11y ago
This is funny, one of my pet peeves of the iPhone ecosystem has always been low level power users (bloggers) who praise the device but don't actually have a clue what are they talking about. I'm not saying this confrontationally. Now that you have pointed it, I actually think you have a point.
- will_pseudonym 11y ago
  What praises do you find unwarranted? I'm just coming into the iOS ecosystem from years on Android.
  - Thimothy 11y ago
    There was a moment when I wasn't neither in the Android not iOS camp, and I used to follow a Apple blog because I was fond of my 3G iTouch. It was one of the most popular iOS blogs in my language and they got strong by translating tutorials on how to jailbreak your devices. I started becoming disengaged with them when they started repeating the Apple line of "Jaibreaking is bad, mm'key?" even though they continued to post tutorials about it, because that's what drove the visits (I wanted to jailbreak my device because I can't stand the standard iOS app menu interface. Besides, my device, my rules). The "f*ck it" moment came when they did a "report" of the latest apple iPhone charger, praising it's construction, it's electrical insulation, and whatnot. I'm an EE, and could easily tell that it was all BS and they had absolutely no idea what they were talking about. I find that this happens regularly in the apple ecosystem, people follow the Apple talk too eagerly for my taste, and don't usually have a technical clue about what are they talking about. All the retina display marketing thing is a good example. Anyway, this applies to the second tier bloggers and commenters (huge majority), first tier, even if they follow the apple line to the letter, usually know what are they talking about.
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rchaud 11y ago
OK, as you're an Android developer, I understand where you're coming from. However, Android users in 2015 pay hundreds of dollars for phones that can barely manage 4-5 hours of on-screen time. That is due to many factors, but users have a right to question if background app activity is to blame. Usually there isn't much quantitative information to work with, but in this case, we do have some. And it's sparked an informative discussion on HN, so I think people have benefited overall. As for their opinion of the Priv, it's an opinion, and there have been varying opinions about it in the tech press. The way your comment was phrased, it sounded like your disagreement with their Priv review was a factor in your evaluation of their Whatsapp article.
- simoncion 11y ago
  > Usually there isn't much quantitative information to work with, but in this case, we do have some. As mentioned by jc4p, that tiny bit of information has provided the author with just enough rope with which to hang himself. Technical people know first-hand that the wrong information can easily lead you away from the source of a problem. Some (many?) slightly-technical people don't understand that screen-on time and cpu-awake time [0] are the major contributors to battery drain. If you provide a raw number for $ACTIONS_TAKEN [1] without establishing whether that number is in the normal range for that app and without tying that number to actual battery drain by correlating it to actual CPU or backlight usage, you're very likely to waste people's time on a wild goose chase. When making reports for non- or slightly-technical people, you usually have to be careful to filter out irrelevant information. [0] IIRC, both of which are stats that have been provided in Android for at least the past several major versions, and probably back to -at least- Gingerbread. [1] In this case, number of times contacts have been accessed by a particular app.

by jc4p 11y ago

Thimothy 11y ago

This is funny, one of my pet peeves of the iPhone ecosystem has always been low level power users (bloggers) who praise the device but don't actually have a clue what are they talking about. I'm not saying this confrontationally. Now that you have pointed it, I actually think you have a point.

will_pseudonym 11y ago
What praises do you find unwarranted? I'm just coming into the iOS ecosystem from years on Android.
- Thimothy 11y ago
  There was a moment when I wasn't neither in the Android not iOS camp, and I used to follow a Apple blog because I was fond of my 3G iTouch. It was one of the most popular iOS blogs in my language and they got strong by translating tutorials on how to jailbreak your devices. I started becoming disengaged with them when they started repeating the Apple line of "Jaibreaking is bad, mm'key?" even though they continued to post tutorials about it, because that's what drove the visits (I wanted to jailbreak my device because I can't stand the standard iOS app menu interface. Besides, my device, my rules). The "f*ck it" moment came when they did a "report" of the latest apple iPhone charger, praising it's construction, it's electrical insulation, and whatnot. I'm an EE, and could easily tell that it was all BS and they had absolutely no idea what they were talking about. I find that this happens regularly in the apple ecosystem, people follow the Apple talk too eagerly for my taste, and don't usually have a technical clue about what are they talking about. All the retina display marketing thing is a good example. Anyway, this applies to the second tier bloggers and commenters (huge majority), first tier, even if they follow the apple line to the letter, usually know what are they talking about.
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rchaud 11y ago

OK, as you're an Android developer, I understand where you're coming from. However, Android users in 2015 pay hundreds of dollars for phones that can barely manage 4-5 hours of on-screen time. That is due to many factors, but users have a right to question if background app activity is to blame. Usually there isn't much quantitative information to work with, but in this case, we do have some. And it's sparked an informative discussion on HN, so I think people have benefited overall. As for their opinion of the Priv, it's an opinion, and there have been varying opinions about it in the tech press. The way your comment was phrased, it sounded like your disagreement with their Priv review was a factor in your evaluation of their Whatsapp article.

simoncion 11y ago
> Usually there isn't much quantitative information to work with, but in this case, we do have some. As mentioned by jc4p, that tiny bit of information has provided the author with just enough rope with which to hang himself. Technical people know first-hand that the wrong information can easily lead you away from the source of a problem. Some (many?) slightly-technical people don't understand that screen-on time and cpu-awake time [0] are the major contributors to battery drain. If you provide a raw number for $ACTIONS_TAKEN [1] without establishing whether that number is in the normal range for that app and without tying that number to actual battery drain by correlating it to actual CPU or backlight usage, you're very likely to waste people's time on a wild goose chase. When making reports for non- or slightly-technical people, you usually have to be careful to filter out irrelevant information. [0] IIRC, both of which are stats that have been provided in Android for at least the past several major versions, and probably back to -at least- Gingerbread. [1] In this case, number of times contacts have been accessed by a particular app.