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The main difference is that the government in power currently in Iran deposed the government that the US set up and wanted to have as an ally. If the Shah had r

by xlm1717 11y ago

The main difference is that the government in power currently in Iran deposed the government that the US set up and wanted to have as an ally. If the Shah had remained in power in Iran, the US would likely be as close with Iran as they are with Saudi Arabia.

zeveb 11y ago
> the government in power currently in Iran deposed the government that the US set up The U.S. did not 'set up' the Shah; he was the legitimate ruler of Persia. Nor did the U.S. overthrow a 'democratically-elected leader'; the Shah's legitimate government successfully defeated a coup attempt by his prime minister Mossadegh, who died peacefully under house arrest years later.
- lotux 11y ago
  oh my god, you should get hired by FoxNews
  - dang 11y ago
    You've been posting comments that break the Hacker News guidelines. We ban accounts that do that, so please don't do that. Temper runs high and patience is thin when it comes to questions like this, so it's understandable when people boil over—but it also breaks the rules of this site, which are there for good reason. Please don't post comments unless they are civil and substantive. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html
- jacquesm 11y ago
  Is this sarcasm? I'm asking because I don't see any markers indicating that it is and I get this wrong every 3rd comment or so. If it isn't sarcasm you are somewhat mis-informed. If it is sarcasm then please ignore this comment. As for the Shah, he was very much there with the support of the oil industry, but that doesn't make him all bad. He wanted to make Persia a modern state and in doing so upset the Mullahs which culminated in the return of banished Ayatollah Khomeini (who resided in Paris, of all places during his exile), and how that ended we probably all already know.
  - hackuser 11y ago
    > As for the Shah, he was very much there with the support of the oil industry, but that doesn't make him all bad. He wanted to make Persia a modern state and in doing so upset the Mullahs IIRC, he oppressed, imprisoned, tortured and killed people in large numbers, for decades.
    - jacquesm 11y ago
      Yes, he did that too. (Especially to his opponents.) The keyword is 'SAVAK'. (See comment elsewhere in this thread). The Shah was a dictator in every sense of the word, but surprisingly, he had some good sides too.
- intopieces 11y ago
  I would grateful if you could cite a source for this information, as it runs counter to all the sources I'm familiar with. A few examples are: An Introduction to the Modern Middle East: History, Religion, Political Economy by David S. Sorenson (Page 202) http://bit.ly/1S9HrTA http://bit.ly/1S9HrTA The Cold War Museum http://www.coldwar.org/articles/50s/OperationAjax.asp http://www.coldwar.org/articles/50s/OperationAjax.asp If the U.S. didn't overthrow Mossadegh, why did the CIA admit to doing so years later in declassified documents? http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB435/ http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB435/

by xlm1717 11y ago

zeveb 11y ago

> the government in power currently in Iran deposed the government that the US set up The U.S. did not 'set up' the Shah; he was the legitimate ruler of Persia. Nor did the U.S. overthrow a 'democratically-elected leader'; the Shah's legitimate government successfully defeated a coup attempt by his prime minister Mossadegh, who died peacefully under house arrest years later.

lotux 11y ago
oh my god, you should get hired by FoxNews
- dang 11y ago
  You've been posting comments that break the Hacker News guidelines. We ban accounts that do that, so please don't do that. Temper runs high and patience is thin when it comes to questions like this, so it's understandable when people boil over—but it also breaks the rules of this site, which are there for good reason. Please don't post comments unless they are civil and substantive. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html
jacquesm 11y ago
Is this sarcasm? I'm asking because I don't see any markers indicating that it is and I get this wrong every 3rd comment or so. If it isn't sarcasm you are somewhat mis-informed. If it is sarcasm then please ignore this comment. As for the Shah, he was very much there with the support of the oil industry, but that doesn't make him all bad. He wanted to make Persia a modern state and in doing so upset the Mullahs which culminated in the return of banished Ayatollah Khomeini (who resided in Paris, of all places during his exile), and how that ended we probably all already know.
- hackuser 11y ago
  > As for the Shah, he was very much there with the support of the oil industry, but that doesn't make him all bad. He wanted to make Persia a modern state and in doing so upset the Mullahs IIRC, he oppressed, imprisoned, tortured and killed people in large numbers, for decades.
  - jacquesm 11y ago
    Yes, he did that too. (Especially to his opponents.) The keyword is 'SAVAK'. (See comment elsewhere in this thread). The Shah was a dictator in every sense of the word, but surprisingly, he had some good sides too.
intopieces 11y ago
I would grateful if you could cite a source for this information, as it runs counter to all the sources I'm familiar with. A few examples are: An Introduction to the Modern Middle East: History, Religion, Political Economy by David S. Sorenson (Page 202) http://bit.ly/1S9HrTA http://bit.ly/1S9HrTA The Cold War Museum http://www.coldwar.org/articles/50s/OperationAjax.asp http://www.coldwar.org/articles/50s/OperationAjax.asp If the U.S. didn't overthrow Mossadegh, why did the CIA admit to doing so years later in declassified documents? http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB435/ http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB435/