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Well no you're not really using bitcoin, not even Coinbase bitcoin. At the end of the day the creditcard simply uses a normal credit card transaction, which is
by IkmoIkmo 11y ago
Well no you're not really using bitcoin, not even Coinbase bitcoin. At the end of the day the creditcard simply uses a normal credit card transaction, which is denominated in dollars and paid for by Coinbase, in dollars, to the merchant.
All Coinbase does is
1) make sure you enough bitcoin to cover the transaction
2) sell your bitcoin to recoup the dollars they're paying on your behalf to the merchant
None of this has anything to do with the blockchain or bitcoin as a technology. It's purely a practical product to make it a bit easier to make payments when you have a lot of money stored in bitcoin. I doubt it'll be anything significant, various other players like Xapo did this in a similarly reasonably professional manner and none of that blew up, either.
The reason it's not all that interesting is
1) again, it has nothing to do with bitcoin/blockchain
2) you need to store your bitcoin at a centralised company, essentially creating the equivalent of a traditional bank or financial service with the same issues and with no real extra benefits
3) it solves none of the myriad of security and fraud issues that have plagued creditcards we've had for decades (creditcards are basically plastic sheets of text, the text being the password to your money vault, and you have to hand it over all the time to make payments. It's an insane security premise)
4) it's actually pretty expensive, not only are creditcards expensive (both due to fraud and because you're putting profit into the pockets of a middleman), but on top you're essentially doing a forex currency conversion (in this case bitcoin -> usd) everytime you make a payment.
They're advertising 'no fees' at the moment, of course that's not structural. In fact I'm a bit surprised that legal gave the OK to charge customers $10 for a product without communicating usage fees for said product on any specific timeline whatsoever, normally that's guaranteed trouble & customer complaints down the line. That's like your ISP charges you $100 to install your internet connection, then says 'no monthly internet fees for a limited time'. You can bet your ass it'll turn into a gigantic mess a few months later when you suddenly start charging usage fees.
Still, I welcome it. Making bitcoin more pragmatic for mainstream users is something I applaud. I just don't have high expectations for this particular product.
- Symbiote 11y ago> creditcards are basically plastic sheets of text Looking again at the site, there's no chip on the card. I thought the USA had finally introduced these — did I misunderstand something? (All my cards have had chips for over 10 years.)
- amyjess 11y agoSlowly, one bank at a time. When I legally changed my name last year, I got all new credit cards. Only two of my new cards have chips. Earlier this year, one card expired, and the new card has a chip. A couple of months ago, one of my cards was compromised by identity theft, and the replacement they sent me has a chip. Both of those were still chipless after I changed my name, so it must've been a recent change. Also, I applied for yet another card, and this one has a chip.
- lobster_johnson 11y agoYes, they are coming. I received my chip card replacements recently. The reason they are finally doing it is because of the so-called EVM fraud liability shift [1], which changes who will be held responsible for card fraud. [1] http://www.paymentsleader.com/will-retailers-be-ready-for-emv-by-oct-2015/ http://www.paymentsleader.com/will-retailers-be-ready-for-em...
- agorabinary 11y agoIn all possible worlds, bitcoin has to begin with use as a currency-of-currency before it can operate stand alone. Which isn't something you necessarily disagree with, based on your comment. But I think it is interesting because it is a natural and necessary step before the "bitcoin and bitcoin only" applications start to really develop. Bitcoin needs legacy support first before a transition to those really lofty bitcoin ambitions.
- runnamike 11y agoDoesn't the funding source (BTC) make it at least a bit interesting? For example a card user in the US could have this credit card, and international relatives could fund it with BTC and not have to pay international transfer fees. It seems like a small step in the direction of using BTC as an actual primary account on the backend and making transactions in the real world.