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I don't think so... I think the future of work is going to be ~10 work days, 6 days a week, and minimal benefits. The problem is that there are SOO many quali

by blhack 17y ago

I don't think so... I think the future of work is going to be ~10 work days, 6 days a week, and minimal benefits. The problem is that there are SOO many qualified people out there and not enough jobs for them. It's an employers market; they can make ridiculous demands, and people will show up to meet them because they have to. Look at movies like "Up in the Air"...there really are people that live their lives in airports and hotels. Yes, to the extent that the person in the movie did. This sort of thing is becoming the norm. In case you haven't seen the movie: it is about a guy who spends something like 300 days per year on the road.

ytinas 17y ago
I don't agree, or at least if it does go this route then people will end up getting unions involved. From where I sit people are already sick of 45 hour work weeks so making this even more intrusive is not going to last long.
- aaronblohowiak 17y ago
  The unions got us overtime, breaks, lunch and vacation. As a result, we created a two-class system for labor laws; management and workers. However, white-collar workers qualify under the provisions previously reserved for management so the laws created to protect labor no longer apply.
  - ytinas 17y ago
    The law isn't some kind of book from "on high" with static text that just is. It is a living body of rules that under the right circumstanced even lowly working class citizens can affect. If people are becoming exploited again and current labor laws can't stop it then those laws need to be changed.
jamesbritt 17y ago
"This sort of thing is becoming the norm." You say this based on what? Do you have links to studies or reports on jobs, travel, time on the road?
- blhack 17y ago
  No, I guess I should have said "This is becoming the norm for me, for nearly everybody that I know, and for nearly everybody that they talk about.".
  - aaronblohowiak 17y ago
    Your insular social circle is abnormal.
    - swernli 17y ago
      The HN insular social circle is abnormal.
    - deleted 17y ago
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    - blhack 17y ago
      Your insular social circle is abnormal. You say this based on what? Do you have links to studies or reports on jobs, travel, time on the road? This is something that really irks me about online discussions; we're not having a formal debate here, not passing policies, we're having an informal conversation about jobs. I gave an opinion and stated it as such...yet my opinion isn't valid because I don't have research data to back it up? A simple google search shows that my opinion is valid...Americans are working more hours per capita than they ever have before and this is a trend that is alarming (or at least interesting) to some people (like me). Here is one such article: http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB108924985484258191,00.html http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB108924985484258191,00.htm...
      - jamesbritt 17y ago
        "This is something that really irks me about online discussions; we're not having a formal debate here, not passing policies, we're having an informal conversation about jobs." Sure. But if someone makes an interesting claim, especially one that contradicts their own experience, knowledge, or intuition, they'll likely want to know if you know something they don't. So, people like me ask for more information, specifically concrete data. If I find out it's just a gut feeling, or a guess, or whatever, that's fine by me. But I just want to know. "I gave an opinion and stated it as such...yet my opinion isn't valid because I don't have research data to back it up?" Maybe. Not all opinions are valid. Sure, you're entitled to believe what you want, but if you make it public then expect others to ask questions, and absent any evidence or a good argument, to scoff.

by blhack 17y ago

ytinas 17y ago

I don't agree, or at least if it does go this route then people will end up getting unions involved. From where I sit people are already sick of 45 hour work weeks so making this even more intrusive is not going to last long.

aaronblohowiak 17y ago
The unions got us overtime, breaks, lunch and vacation. As a result, we created a two-class system for labor laws; management and workers. However, white-collar workers qualify under the provisions previously reserved for management so the laws created to protect labor no longer apply.
- ytinas 17y ago
  The law isn't some kind of book from "on high" with static text that just is. It is a living body of rules that under the right circumstanced even lowly working class citizens can affect. If people are becoming exploited again and current labor laws can't stop it then those laws need to be changed.

jamesbritt 17y ago

"This sort of thing is becoming the norm." You say this based on what? Do you have links to studies or reports on jobs, travel, time on the road?

blhack 17y ago
No, I guess I should have said "This is becoming the norm for me, for nearly everybody that I know, and for nearly everybody that they talk about.".
- aaronblohowiak 17y ago
  Your insular social circle is abnormal.
  - swernli 17y ago
    The HN insular social circle is abnormal.
  - deleted 17y ago
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  - blhack 17y ago
    Your insular social circle is abnormal. You say this based on what? Do you have links to studies or reports on jobs, travel, time on the road? This is something that really irks me about online discussions; we're not having a formal debate here, not passing policies, we're having an informal conversation about jobs. I gave an opinion and stated it as such...yet my opinion isn't valid because I don't have research data to back it up? A simple google search shows that my opinion is valid...Americans are working more hours per capita than they ever have before and this is a trend that is alarming (or at least interesting) to some people (like me). Here is one such article: http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB108924985484258191,00.html http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB108924985484258191,00.htm...
    - jamesbritt 17y ago
      "This is something that really irks me about online discussions; we're not having a formal debate here, not passing policies, we're having an informal conversation about jobs." Sure. But if someone makes an interesting claim, especially one that contradicts their own experience, knowledge, or intuition, they'll likely want to know if you know something they don't. So, people like me ask for more information, specifically concrete data. If I find out it's just a gut feeling, or a guess, or whatever, that's fine by me. But I just want to know. "I gave an opinion and stated it as such...yet my opinion isn't valid because I don't have research data to back it up?" Maybe. Not all opinions are valid. Sure, you're entitled to believe what you want, but if you make it public then expect others to ask questions, and absent any evidence or a good argument, to scoff.