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Dammit. No, I mean, this is great news, but I thought I could create value by listing the CAs that provide free SSL on this page: https://paragonie.com/white-p

Dammit. No, I mean, this is great news, but I thought I could create value by listing the CAs that provide free SSL on this page: https://paragonie.com/white-paper/2015-secure-php-data-encryption https://paragonie.com/white-paper/2015-secure-php-data-encry... And soon I won't be. Dammit. And the worst part is, I can't even be angry about that, because it's subverted by a significant security gain.

mootothemax 11y ago
>And soon I won't be. You could pivot to in-depth reviews of the various providers. I'm sure some providers will be a pain in the backside, some will be great, others somewhere in the middle, and all will have various differing support options, up-sell discounts to "premium" certs and so on and so forth.
- sarciszewski 11y ago
  That sounds like a great idea for a follow-up page (or alternatively, a great way to get sued for libel).
  - mootothemax 11y ago
    >a great way to get sued for libel I'm pretty sure you're saying that with tongue firmly in cheek. Just in case, though, even in the UK you're covered by fair comment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_comment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_comment
    - sarciszewski 11y ago
      And if I were to ever be brought into court, I would very likely lose more in legal fees than I make in a year, even if I win. (I'm in America, where going to court and hoping not to end up destitute afterwards means you already lost.)
      - mootothemax 11y ago
        Goodness, what on earth were you thinking of writing about these providers that'd be so libellous? ;-) More seriously: by the time you'd become a worthwhile legal target, you'd have to be earning a decent living from your reviews that'd more than cover predatory legal costs. Given the ridiculous number of review sites out site, and how few of them apparently end up in court, I think you can work out the likelihood of such issues for yourself.
        sarciszewski 11y ago
        Basically, this is how I look at it. Increased revenue for writing my opinion on the Internet: Definitely $0 Increased risk of losing everything to the American legal system: non-zero Hence, I hesitate.
        fweespeech 11y ago
        You could try being a Yelp for CAs. The exemption for letting other people write their opinions on the internet is pretty ironclad [as long as you honor DMCA notices].
        sarciszewski 11y ago
        That would be a clever workaround. I'll consider that. :)
        fweespeech 11y ago
        Good luck :) Just be careful and look through the lawsuits Yelp got hit with so you don't get accused of extortion. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/02/yelp-extortion-case-dismissed_n_843954.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/02/yelp-extortion-case... At least to me, it seems the simplest solution is to only sell advertising via a 3rd party bidding system where you aren't involved in the sales process and don't initiate contact. [i.e. Moderation of ads is handled by the 3rd party, not you ]
        11y ago
  - tootie 11y ago
    I've long had the idea of hosting a site for product reviews of enterprise software. There's so much shitty software produced by big vendors and IT managers keep buying them. I'd love to right this wrong, but the threat of libel scares me. The biggest vendors spend all their money on sales and lawyers.
pki 11y ago
You should possibly point out that the first entry on your list is done by "acceptable MITM" - and that you don't control the keys there.

mootothemax 11y ago

>And soon I won't be. You could pivot to in-depth reviews of the various providers. I'm sure some providers will be a pain in the backside, some will be great, others somewhere in the middle, and all will have various differing support options, up-sell discounts to "premium" certs and so on and so forth.

sarciszewski 11y ago
That sounds like a great idea for a follow-up page (or alternatively, a great way to get sued for libel).
- mootothemax 11y ago
  >a great way to get sued for libel I'm pretty sure you're saying that with tongue firmly in cheek. Just in case, though, even in the UK you're covered by fair comment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_comment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_comment
  - sarciszewski 11y ago
    And if I were to ever be brought into court, I would very likely lose more in legal fees than I make in a year, even if I win. (I'm in America, where going to court and hoping not to end up destitute afterwards means you already lost.)
    - mootothemax 11y ago
      Goodness, what on earth were you thinking of writing about these providers that'd be so libellous? ;-) More seriously: by the time you'd become a worthwhile legal target, you'd have to be earning a decent living from your reviews that'd more than cover predatory legal costs. Given the ridiculous number of review sites out site, and how few of them apparently end up in court, I think you can work out the likelihood of such issues for yourself.
      - sarciszewski 11y ago
        Basically, this is how I look at it. Increased revenue for writing my opinion on the Internet: Definitely $0 Increased risk of losing everything to the American legal system: non-zero Hence, I hesitate.
        fweespeech 11y ago
        You could try being a Yelp for CAs. The exemption for letting other people write their opinions on the internet is pretty ironclad [as long as you honor DMCA notices].
        sarciszewski 11y ago
        That would be a clever workaround. I'll consider that. :)
        fweespeech 11y ago
        Good luck :) Just be careful and look through the lawsuits Yelp got hit with so you don't get accused of extortion. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/02/yelp-extortion-case-dismissed_n_843954.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/02/yelp-extortion-case... At least to me, it seems the simplest solution is to only sell advertising via a 3rd party bidding system where you aren't involved in the sales process and don't initiate contact. [i.e. Moderation of ads is handled by the 3rd party, not you ]
        11y ago
- tootie 11y ago
  I've long had the idea of hosting a site for product reviews of enterprise software. There's so much shitty software produced by big vendors and IT managers keep buying them. I'd love to right this wrong, but the threat of libel scares me. The biggest vendors spend all their money on sales and lawyers.

pki 11y ago

You should possibly point out that the first entry on your list is done by "acceptable MITM" - and that you don't control the keys there.