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We definitely didn't start these conflicts in the Middle East. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27état https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_

We definitely didn't start these conflicts in the Middle East. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27état https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27état

simonh 11y ago
A list of western abuses in the Middle East would be a very long and bloody one, that's fair enough. We have a lot to account for, and Iran in particular has plenty of very good reasons to be hostile to the west. But we are not fighting wars against Iran, instead we are negotiating treaties and slowly building trust. These terrorist attacks are not because we are in a war with Islamic nations. They are designed to create and draw us into wars with Islamic nations. They are provocations to start wars which ISIS and Al Qaeda want to have. They are as much a response to us withdrawing troops from Iraq and Afghanistan as anything else. Check out ISIS and Al Qaeda's published literature. If we withdrew completely from the Middle East and all Moslem states the attacks would not stop, they would intensify because by deliberate policy they are dedicated to creating a situation in which conflict with the west is unavoidable. I'm afraid that anyone who thinks we can just walk away from this fight and everything will be fine, just doesn't have clue 1 why we are in this to start with. The Wahabi/Salafist world view is one of inevitable and necessary warfare with all non-Muslims, leading to global conquest and a worldwide Caliphate. It's non-negotiable and inimical to democracy, freedom and liberal values. You either convert or die and they way to achieve this is by provoking as much division and strife between westerners and Muslims as possible.
- effie 11y ago
  But engaging in violence only pours oil to that fire. It seems some of the crazy killers love to get killed themselves because they believe they fight against evil. Imagine what would happen if strong policy of non-engagement, trade sanctions to offenders and economic help to peaceful people was imposed. Be the parent rather than the big bully on the playground. The provocations would have no desired effect and then they could cease in time. The West has wealth and intellect to do that. The terrorists would lose the big argument they have now for recruiting new people and in time they would die out, the younger generation seeing their stupidity. That could be a lasting solution. The alternative, supporting the perpetual war, will only bring more attacks on the peaceful people.

We definitely didn't start these conflicts in the Middle East. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27état https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27état

simonh 11y ago

A list of western abuses in the Middle East would be a very long and bloody one, that's fair enough. We have a lot to account for, and Iran in particular has plenty of very good reasons to be hostile to the west. But we are not fighting wars against Iran, instead we are negotiating treaties and slowly building trust. These terrorist attacks are not because we are in a war with Islamic nations. They are designed to create and draw us into wars with Islamic nations. They are provocations to start wars which ISIS and Al Qaeda want to have. They are as much a response to us withdrawing troops from Iraq and Afghanistan as anything else. Check out ISIS and Al Qaeda's published literature. If we withdrew completely from the Middle East and all Moslem states the attacks would not stop, they would intensify because by deliberate policy they are dedicated to creating a situation in which conflict with the west is unavoidable. I'm afraid that anyone who thinks we can just walk away from this fight and everything will be fine, just doesn't have clue 1 why we are in this to start with. The Wahabi/Salafist world view is one of inevitable and necessary warfare with all non-Muslims, leading to global conquest and a worldwide Caliphate. It's non-negotiable and inimical to democracy, freedom and liberal values. You either convert or die and they way to achieve this is by provoking as much division and strife between westerners and Muslims as possible.

effie 11y ago
But engaging in violence only pours oil to that fire. It seems some of the crazy killers love to get killed themselves because they believe they fight against evil. Imagine what would happen if strong policy of non-engagement, trade sanctions to offenders and economic help to peaceful people was imposed. Be the parent rather than the big bully on the playground. The provocations would have no desired effect and then they could cease in time. The West has wealth and intellect to do that. The terrorists would lose the big argument they have now for recruiting new people and in time they would die out, the younger generation seeing their stupidity. That could be a lasting solution. The alternative, supporting the perpetual war, will only bring more attacks on the peaceful people.