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He is largely being down voted for simultaneously invoking history while ignoring the right to protest exists only because of free speech and the right to assem

He is largely being down voted for simultaneously invoking history while ignoring the right to protest exists only because of free speech and the right to assemble. The ability to have protests like we've seen on campuses and elsewhere are defended entirely on 1st amendment grounds. Watering that down to push an agenda, no matter how righteous, is the kind of idea only those truly ignorant of history would propose. http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/civil-rights-first-amendment http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/civil-rights-first-amend... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_v._Des_Moines_Independent_Community_School_District https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_v._Des_Moines_Independe... etc.

ericjang 11y ago
Your username checks out, so take my upvote. That said, the debate has moved past centering on First Amendment Rights as the point of contention; rather, the issue is whether students should dress in "offensive" Halloween Costumes even if they are legally allowed to.
- fweespeech 11y ago
  Hypothetical: If the situation was the reverse of now and the majority was openly racist and found anti-racism costumes offensive [say, Martin Luther King Jr costumes] ... would you still favor banning "offensive" costumes? I guess I just feel we don't have the luxury of determining what speech should be allowed because sometimes the majority is in the wrong.
  - aidenn0 11y ago
    Actually, since I'm white, I think it would be considered racist were I to dress as MLK Jr. ...
    - fweespeech 11y ago
      Do you genuinely not understand I'm talking about a member of a minority doing that?
      - aidenn0 11y ago
        I actually did upon first reading, but it was very late.
        fweespeech 11y ago
        Ah okay, sorry. Now I think its clear that I wasn't talking about white people doing it, yeah?
- mc32 11y ago
  I would say yes, so long as the costume wearer does not engage in threatening behavior toward other revelers. It's offensive and in poor taste, but I think people have the right to wear stupid things, even offensive things. They can wear nun's dresses or vicar's clothes with very inappropriate insinuations, etc. (given the "misconduct" of priests, etc.) Or banning Nazi, Ghadaffi, Kone, BinLaden, etc. costumes, they are in poor taste, but I don't see the merit in banning them outright. Or doing untoward things to the effigies of unpopular politicians. It's my opinion, and I imagine others would be offended, and I might be offended by some costumes, maybe even feel uneasy about them, but I still would say people have the right to express themselves, so long as they don't engage in threatening behavior. Some (political) expression will feel very uncomfortable, but that's necessary to have in a free-ish society.

ericjang 11y ago

Your username checks out, so take my upvote. That said, the debate has moved past centering on First Amendment Rights as the point of contention; rather, the issue is whether students should dress in "offensive" Halloween Costumes even if they are legally allowed to.

fweespeech 11y ago
Hypothetical: If the situation was the reverse of now and the majority was openly racist and found anti-racism costumes offensive [say, Martin Luther King Jr costumes] ... would you still favor banning "offensive" costumes? I guess I just feel we don't have the luxury of determining what speech should be allowed because sometimes the majority is in the wrong.
- aidenn0 11y ago
  Actually, since I'm white, I think it would be considered racist were I to dress as MLK Jr. ...
  - fweespeech 11y ago
    Do you genuinely not understand I'm talking about a member of a minority doing that?
    - aidenn0 11y ago
      I actually did upon first reading, but it was very late.
      - fweespeech 11y ago
        Ah okay, sorry. Now I think its clear that I wasn't talking about white people doing it, yeah?
mc32 11y ago
I would say yes, so long as the costume wearer does not engage in threatening behavior toward other revelers. It's offensive and in poor taste, but I think people have the right to wear stupid things, even offensive things. They can wear nun's dresses or vicar's clothes with very inappropriate insinuations, etc. (given the "misconduct" of priests, etc.) Or banning Nazi, Ghadaffi, Kone, BinLaden, etc. costumes, they are in poor taste, but I don't see the merit in banning them outright. Or doing untoward things to the effigies of unpopular politicians. It's my opinion, and I imagine others would be offended, and I might be offended by some costumes, maybe even feel uneasy about them, but I still would say people have the right to express themselves, so long as they don't engage in threatening behavior. Some (political) expression will feel very uncomfortable, but that's necessary to have in a free-ish society.