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Before discussion takes off, maybe we can have a factual basis for talking about this issue and learn something too: Could anyone who knows describe specifical

Before discussion takes off, maybe we can have a factual basis for talking about this issue and learn something too: Could anyone who knows describe specifically how 'safe spaces' are implemented? Obviously we would need to talk about particular campuses because each school operates independently and has its own rules. Perhaps a link to the rule itself? I humbly request that you don't respond with a general impression or with memes or things you read or heard about. We're overwhelmed with unreliable information already; more won't make the facts any more clear.

tedunangst 11y ago
What do you mean? I would not expect to find the words "safe space" in the mizzou bylaws.
- hackuser 11y ago
  > What do you mean? I would not expect to find the words "safe space" in the mizzou bylaws. I'm guessing it's defined someplace, if not in the by-laws then either by the school or by the groups that use them. Maybe it's a statement of principles of some group. Also, the idea of a 'safe space' may be based on certain papers or books or research. And that would apply to other issues besides 'safe spaces', such as the effects of racism on the educational environment, etc. It would be useful to see links to some of the student groups' own statements; I only see second-hand information and not even many quotes or interviews with the protesters themselves.
nickff 11y ago
Every debate takes place under a constraint of limited information; if you do not wish to base the argument on what may be anecdotal or flawed data, it would be advisable to debate the principle of safe spaces. Which is to say, that it may be more productive for you to ask or answer the questions 'are safe spaces moral if we assume a perfect implementation (as described by the proponent)?', and 'what conditions are required for a good safe space, or what makes a safe space bad?'.
- hackuser 11y ago
  > it would be advisable to debate the principle of safe spaces I think that would be valuable to discuss but we need to know what that principle is. I haven't seen anything that informs me about it. For example, one person in this discussion said they are basing their conclusions on one video they saw of one incident at one college. My experience with similar issues in the past is that what most people discuss, in any forum, doesn't turn out to be true - they are solving problems that don't exist.
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tedunangst 11y ago

What do you mean? I would not expect to find the words "safe space" in the mizzou bylaws.

hackuser 11y ago
> What do you mean? I would not expect to find the words "safe space" in the mizzou bylaws. I'm guessing it's defined someplace, if not in the by-laws then either by the school or by the groups that use them. Maybe it's a statement of principles of some group. Also, the idea of a 'safe space' may be based on certain papers or books or research. And that would apply to other issues besides 'safe spaces', such as the effects of racism on the educational environment, etc. It would be useful to see links to some of the student groups' own statements; I only see second-hand information and not even many quotes or interviews with the protesters themselves.

nickff 11y ago

Every debate takes place under a constraint of limited information; if you do not wish to base the argument on what may be anecdotal or flawed data, it would be advisable to debate the principle of safe spaces. Which is to say, that it may be more productive for you to ask or answer the questions 'are safe spaces moral if we assume a perfect implementation (as described by the proponent)?', and 'what conditions are required for a good safe space, or what makes a safe space bad?'.

hackuser 11y ago
> it would be advisable to debate the principle of safe spaces I think that would be valuable to discuss but we need to know what that principle is. I haven't seen anything that informs me about it. For example, one person in this discussion said they are basing their conclusions on one video they saw of one incident at one college. My experience with similar issues in the past is that what most people discuss, in any forum, doesn't turn out to be true - they are solving problems that don't exist.

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