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How is that possible - living in the country for years and even enrolling in a prominent institution of higher education, all the while being effectively non-ex

How is that possible - living in the country for years and even enrolling in a prominent institution of higher education, all the while being effectively non-existent as far as the legal system is concerned? I can't get my head around it.

mrtksn 11y ago
You are not non-existent, you are just taking another path where some things are "easier"(from locals perspective, it's usually easier to get a spot at a good school) to achieve they are actually much harder to hold because you are out of the safety net. Other things are incredibly laborious and some things are effectively out of your reach. From techie perspective, think of it as dirty and quick hack. You are basically quick fix at the system, you don't conform to predefined interfaces and you do not fell in any of the object categories but you still can interact with other objects. Because you don't go from all the checks, some things are easier to you and you can run faster but at the same time you are out of any error checking mechanism. If you fail, you fail dirty and you can't recover. So when you are an illegal in a country, you usually have access to some things like education and healthcare(sometimes easier than the locals) but you may have incredibly hard time to open a bank account and anything that depends on you having a bank account(the things that are easy and hard depend on the country). It all depends on what paperwork is needed, sometimes you hack your way to obtain certain paperwork(I know a guy who is taking the metro for free, so he would be fined and they will send him a mail with the fine and he will use that mail as proof of address to open a bank account). Being illegal in a country is very interesting beast. Some people, like the person with the most upvoted comment make it look lşke it's a privilege but it's not. Do you fancy to be an illegal? Burn your documents and pretend that you are somebody else.
- dunkelheit 11y ago
  Interesting metaphor but I still don't fully understand. I imagine it is easy to go around doing ordinary cash transactions, hard but possible to find a place to live and work (you have to find landlords and employers who are willing to engage in sketchy things). But going to public school? enrolling in Princeton? Do these institutions seriously not care who you are? Also, if illegal immigrants are not non-existent to the state, why are they tolerated and not getting deported?
  - mrtksn 11y ago
    studying is probably one of the easier tasks for an illegal immigrant. states don't want to have much illiterate and skilless people around and don't want to block those who want to get educated so usually they have all kind of exemptions to enable people get education. also, because the education on the planet is not uniform things like maths tests can go long way instead of paper work.
WizardlySquid 11y ago
Sanctuary citys and liberals turn a blind eye to illegal immigrants.

mrtksn 11y ago

You are not non-existent, you are just taking another path where some things are "easier"(from locals perspective, it's usually easier to get a spot at a good school) to achieve they are actually much harder to hold because you are out of the safety net. Other things are incredibly laborious and some things are effectively out of your reach. From techie perspective, think of it as dirty and quick hack. You are basically quick fix at the system, you don't conform to predefined interfaces and you do not fell in any of the object categories but you still can interact with other objects. Because you don't go from all the checks, some things are easier to you and you can run faster but at the same time you are out of any error checking mechanism. If you fail, you fail dirty and you can't recover. So when you are an illegal in a country, you usually have access to some things like education and healthcare(sometimes easier than the locals) but you may have incredibly hard time to open a bank account and anything that depends on you having a bank account(the things that are easy and hard depend on the country). It all depends on what paperwork is needed, sometimes you hack your way to obtain certain paperwork(I know a guy who is taking the metro for free, so he would be fined and they will send him a mail with the fine and he will use that mail as proof of address to open a bank account). Being illegal in a country is very interesting beast. Some people, like the person with the most upvoted comment make it look lşke it's a privilege but it's not. Do you fancy to be an illegal? Burn your documents and pretend that you are somebody else.

dunkelheit 11y ago
Interesting metaphor but I still don't fully understand. I imagine it is easy to go around doing ordinary cash transactions, hard but possible to find a place to live and work (you have to find landlords and employers who are willing to engage in sketchy things). But going to public school? enrolling in Princeton? Do these institutions seriously not care who you are? Also, if illegal immigrants are not non-existent to the state, why are they tolerated and not getting deported?
- mrtksn 11y ago
  studying is probably one of the easier tasks for an illegal immigrant. states don't want to have much illiterate and skilless people around and don't want to block those who want to get educated so usually they have all kind of exemptions to enable people get education. also, because the education on the planet is not uniform things like maths tests can go long way instead of paper work.

WizardlySquid 11y ago

Sanctuary citys and liberals turn a blind eye to illegal immigrants.