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A legitimate problem, but the solution proposed sounds even worse. If Google said they were going to put all the money in a box when there was some dispute over

A legitimate problem, but the solution proposed sounds even worse. If Google said they were going to put all the money in a box when there was some dispute over who owned it, I feel that neither creators nor copyright owners would be happy. I don't have a better solution, of course. I started typing one out and immediately realized how it could be gamed. It's not a simple problem and it doesn't have a simple solution that I can see. But it's good that it's being looked at, at least.

gizmo686 11y ago
It doesn't seem like that big of a problem to me. Currently, it seems like the claimants are big companies, who should have the cash reserves to absorb a few months delay in the relatively small amount of ad revenue that they are missing out on. Small creators may still face hardship as a result of the delayed income (although if they are cannot absorb this, then I think they are still spread to thin to be sustainable), but under the current system they get nothing from this time period.
- nemothekid 11y ago
  >Currently, it seems like the claimants are big companies, who should have the cash reserves to absorb a few months delay in the relatively small amount of ad revenue that they are missing out on. I've found this parallel really interesting, as Facebook has now been criticized for not having Content ID and those criticisms are led by smaller creators (I guess the big media companies have given up being outspoken about piracy on video platforms that don't have Content ID-like systems).
  - codewithcheese 11y ago
    It's pretty amazing. Facebook whole strategy seems to be encouraging people to rip YouTube videos and put them in the Facebook player. A YouTube embed share on Facebook is just not given the viral weight a Facebook video has, and Facebook is doing nothing to stop piracy. They will of course crack down... when they feel like enough creators have moved from YouTube to Facebook.
    - majani 11y ago
      Poetic justice for YouTube, who grew off the back of willful ignorance of music copyright for the first few years before cracking down.
dragonwriter 11y ago
Neither side being happy is typical of fair processes for resolving disputes; if one side is happy with a dispute process, its usually because it is biased to their side.

gizmo686 11y ago

It doesn't seem like that big of a problem to me. Currently, it seems like the claimants are big companies, who should have the cash reserves to absorb a few months delay in the relatively small amount of ad revenue that they are missing out on. Small creators may still face hardship as a result of the delayed income (although if they are cannot absorb this, then I think they are still spread to thin to be sustainable), but under the current system they get nothing from this time period.

nemothekid 11y ago
>Currently, it seems like the claimants are big companies, who should have the cash reserves to absorb a few months delay in the relatively small amount of ad revenue that they are missing out on. I've found this parallel really interesting, as Facebook has now been criticized for not having Content ID and those criticisms are led by smaller creators (I guess the big media companies have given up being outspoken about piracy on video platforms that don't have Content ID-like systems).
- codewithcheese 11y ago
  It's pretty amazing. Facebook whole strategy seems to be encouraging people to rip YouTube videos and put them in the Facebook player. A YouTube embed share on Facebook is just not given the viral weight a Facebook video has, and Facebook is doing nothing to stop piracy. They will of course crack down... when they feel like enough creators have moved from YouTube to Facebook.
  - majani 11y ago
    Poetic justice for YouTube, who grew off the back of willful ignorance of music copyright for the first few years before cracking down.

dragonwriter 11y ago

Neither side being happy is typical of fair processes for resolving disputes; if one side is happy with a dispute process, its usually because it is biased to their side.