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How would you feel about University/work cooperative programs? I see that as a plausible way to balance the trade offs of each system. Northeastern and Ketterin

by nooron 11y ago

How would you feel about University/work cooperative programs? I see that as a plausible way to balance the trade offs of each system. Northeastern and Kettering have had a lot of success with both.

rm_-rf_slash 11y ago
I went to RIT. A year of co-op is required for most majors. I wouldn't have had my great experience at Apple or such a fantastic job now if it weren't for that degree requirement. I still think college isn't for everybody. My grandfather was a combat engineer in WWII but the GI Bill college track wasn't doing it for him so he started a successful restaurant instead. That being said, co-ops are the only reasonable strategy for colleges to expect job placement upon graduation.
- nooron 11y ago
  I think college isn't right for everyone. I also think that individuals don't realize a lot of potential benefits from it. It would be economically beneficial on an individual level for many more people to learn math up to Calc II in undergrad, and I suspect that would represent a public good. But most affordable state U's operate their low level math classes as weeders, not opportunities to educate students. So I don't think I would want to aggressively make policy to reduce college attendance without experimenting in improving their outcomes. (And I agree with your last point.)
  - rm_-rf_slash 11y ago
    I think some things are taught best to the priorities of the local job market. For example, business-oriented New Yorkers would probably benefit from skimming calculus and focusing on probability and statistics. Boston, where knowledge and research is highly valued, should emphasize total understanding of the math that is taught, which takes up more of the curriculum but provides value to the community. And in Silicon Valley the schools might better serve the community by skimming most math in favor of teaching software development. While I believe in high standards, I also am skeptical about how those standards are set and measured, and what the benefit truly becomes. If we teach the entire nation to be exactly one type of citizen, consumer, and worker, then we don't really benefit or diversify our job markets, do we?

by nooron 11y ago

How would you feel about University/work cooperative programs? I see that as a plausible way to balance the trade offs of each system. Northeastern and Kettering have had a lot of success with both.

rm_-rf_slash 11y ago

I went to RIT. A year of co-op is required for most majors. I wouldn't have had my great experience at Apple or such a fantastic job now if it weren't for that degree requirement. I still think college isn't for everybody. My grandfather was a combat engineer in WWII but the GI Bill college track wasn't doing it for him so he started a successful restaurant instead. That being said, co-ops are the only reasonable strategy for colleges to expect job placement upon graduation.

nooron 11y ago
I think college isn't right for everyone. I also think that individuals don't realize a lot of potential benefits from it. It would be economically beneficial on an individual level for many more people to learn math up to Calc II in undergrad, and I suspect that would represent a public good. But most affordable state U's operate their low level math classes as weeders, not opportunities to educate students. So I don't think I would want to aggressively make policy to reduce college attendance without experimenting in improving their outcomes. (And I agree with your last point.)
- rm_-rf_slash 11y ago
  I think some things are taught best to the priorities of the local job market. For example, business-oriented New Yorkers would probably benefit from skimming calculus and focusing on probability and statistics. Boston, where knowledge and research is highly valued, should emphasize total understanding of the math that is taught, which takes up more of the curriculum but provides value to the community. And in Silicon Valley the schools might better serve the community by skimming most math in favor of teaching software development. While I believe in high standards, I also am skeptical about how those standards are set and measured, and what the benefit truly becomes. If we teach the entire nation to be exactly one type of citizen, consumer, and worker, then we don't really benefit or diversify our job markets, do we?