I've been thinking about this a lot myself, these are my main problems with them as well. I've starting messing around with an unholy abomination that is taking

I've been thinking about this a lot myself, these are my main problems with them as well. I've starting messing around with an unholy abomination that is taking the worst features of Ruby, Perl, and J* and making such a postfix language. I'm taking the rest of the year off to work on this so hopefully it yields something fun and stupid. * - I love the notation in J/K/APL but really want to see it written left to right, much like chaining together map/reduce/filter methods in Ruby with dot notation. I also want auto-vivification from Perl and the use of implicit variables for map/reduce/filter. I look forward to messing with Klong.