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Out of curiosity I looked up murder stats as well. Roughly 1000 were killed by police in 2014 nationwide, whereas nationwide civilian murder toll reached about

Out of curiosity I looked up murder stats as well. Roughly 1000 were killed by police in 2014 nationwide, whereas nationwide civilian murder toll reached about 10,000. So at least police aren't killing more people than regular people?

toomuchtodo 11y ago
> So at least police aren't killing more people than regular people? They're killing more people than terrorists though: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/youre-nine-times-likely-killed-police-officer-terrorist.html http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/youre-nine-times-like... http://www.globalresearch.ca/increasing-police-brutality-americans-killed-by-cops-now-outnumber-americans-killed-in-iraq-war/5361554 http://www.globalresearch.ca/increasing-police-brutality-ame... http://www.cato.org/blog/youre-eight-times-more-likely-be-killed-police-officer-terrorist http://www.cato.org/blog/youre-eight-times-more-likely-be-ki... http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/03/youre-55-times-likely-killed-police-officer-terrorist.html http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/03/youre-55-times-likely... Yay?
- Fezzik 11y ago
  That is primarily true because we are a heavily/overly militarized and protected country. If it were easier to frequently fly planes in to large buildings I think we can all agree religious extremists would be killing a significantly larger number of people in the US. It is *lack of opportunity that prevents this, not a passivity that is greater than that of police officers.
  - toomuchtodo 11y ago
    How many people are waiting in a TSA checkpoint at busy times, unprotected? And yet, we haven't seen those groups of people massacred.
    - dragonwriter 11y ago
      > How many people are waiting in a TSA checkpoint at busy times, unprotected? None; even outside the "secured" areas, airports are one of the most heavily patrolled places open to the public. Obviously, that doesn't make attacks impossible, but characterizing that locale as "unprotected" is unreasonable.
      - delecti 11y ago
        The security line is almost by definition pre-security, and often includes dozens or hundreds of people.
        dragonwriter 11y ago
        > The security line is almost by definition pre-security The security screening line is (just) outside of a particular layer of security; the area of the airport outside that layer, including the line, is still one of the most heavily patrolled areas open to the public in the US, it is not "unprotected".
        delecti 11y ago
        Maybe you couldn't get to the screening line with a rifle strapped to your back, but you almost certainly could with a bomb strapped to your chest under your jacket.
        mikeash 11y ago
        You could bring one hell of a big suitcase bomb. Weight limits would not apply, and size limits only vaguely. Lug in one of those really big roller suitcases filled with high explosives and nails, roll it right into the security line, and... I'm on a list now.
        TeMPOraL 11y ago
        If you want to be really douchy about such an attack, use liquid explosives in 1L soda bottles. Say that you forgot about the regulations and dutifully throw them together into the bin... (I'm probably on the list already anyway.)
jellicle 11y ago
I thought the problem was there is no tally of people killed by police. There's no central registry, no requirement to report. The only stats collected on this are people collecting news clippings, but of course many things don't make the newspapers. Probably the police kill fewer people than non-police killers, but we don't really know. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-year-after-ferguson-why-nobody-knows-how-many-people-n405376 http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-year-after-ferguson-...

toomuchtodo 11y ago

> So at least police aren't killing more people than regular people? They're killing more people than terrorists though: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/youre-nine-times-likely-killed-police-officer-terrorist.html http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/youre-nine-times-like... http://www.globalresearch.ca/increasing-police-brutality-americans-killed-by-cops-now-outnumber-americans-killed-in-iraq-war/5361554 http://www.globalresearch.ca/increasing-police-brutality-ame... http://www.cato.org/blog/youre-eight-times-more-likely-be-killed-police-officer-terrorist http://www.cato.org/blog/youre-eight-times-more-likely-be-ki... http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/03/youre-55-times-likely-killed-police-officer-terrorist.html http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/03/youre-55-times-likely... Yay?

Fezzik 11y ago
That is primarily true because we are a heavily/overly militarized and protected country. If it were easier to frequently fly planes in to large buildings I think we can all agree religious extremists would be killing a significantly larger number of people in the US. It is *lack of opportunity that prevents this, not a passivity that is greater than that of police officers.
- toomuchtodo 11y ago
  How many people are waiting in a TSA checkpoint at busy times, unprotected? And yet, we haven't seen those groups of people massacred.
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    > How many people are waiting in a TSA checkpoint at busy times, unprotected? None; even outside the "secured" areas, airports are one of the most heavily patrolled places open to the public. Obviously, that doesn't make attacks impossible, but characterizing that locale as "unprotected" is unreasonable.
    - delecti 11y ago
      The security line is almost by definition pre-security, and often includes dozens or hundreds of people.
      - dragonwriter 11y ago
        > The security line is almost by definition pre-security The security screening line is (just) outside of a particular layer of security; the area of the airport outside that layer, including the line, is still one of the most heavily patrolled areas open to the public in the US, it is not "unprotected".
        delecti 11y ago
        Maybe you couldn't get to the screening line with a rifle strapped to your back, but you almost certainly could with a bomb strapped to your chest under your jacket.
        mikeash 11y ago
        You could bring one hell of a big suitcase bomb. Weight limits would not apply, and size limits only vaguely. Lug in one of those really big roller suitcases filled with high explosives and nails, roll it right into the security line, and... I'm on a list now.
        TeMPOraL 11y ago
        If you want to be really douchy about such an attack, use liquid explosives in 1L soda bottles. Say that you forgot about the regulations and dutifully throw them together into the bin... (I'm probably on the list already anyway.)

jellicle 11y ago

I thought the problem was there is no tally of people killed by police. There's no central registry, no requirement to report. The only stats collected on this are people collecting news clippings, but of course many things don't make the newspapers. Probably the police kill fewer people than non-police killers, but we don't really know. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-year-after-ferguson-why-nobody-knows-how-many-people-n405376 http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-year-after-ferguson-...