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Personally I've had periods in my life where I've went to bed at 9 PM and been up at 5 AM, but also periods where I've been awake til 5 AM and slept til 4 PM. S

by Puts 11y ago

Personally I've had periods in my life where I've went to bed at 9 PM and been up at 5 AM, but also periods where I've been awake til 5 AM and slept til 4 PM. So I don't really believe there is any such thing as morning or night persons, just excuses to not change your habits.

TeMPOraL 11y ago
I'm thankful for such excuse (or rather I would be if anyone actually bought it), because it's simpler to say "I'm a night owl" than explaining how I can't adjust my sleeping patterns even with chemicals to match that of everyone else, and how this is making me miserable in life. Some of us have their internal clocks running in a different timezone. Mine is LocalTime+4.
jsutton 11y ago
Habits can be changed, but your circadian rhythm has a natural state which is different for everyone, and it's an eternal struggle if those two things are at odds with each other.
ergothus 11y ago
Isn't it possible that you are just more flexible to changing your cycle than others? I need a lot of sleep - I'm very jealous of my coworkers that can stay up until 1-4 am and still be at work at 9. Meanwhile I need 8 hours of sleep minimum, or after 3 days I'm a zombie. Just last night I slept for 11 hours (no exaggeration) because I crashed after too many nights short of sleep. I'm also a night owl - I wake at 7, and come night time I force myself to bed at 11 - I could be up for hours, but not if I want to wake on time, and while waking earlier would be great for my schedule, I can't just shift my 8-hour sleep window - I've tried. It's possible that I and others with similar situations are just making excuses (and presumably that's true for at least some), but it's also possible that you are using your single experience to denounce others. Please don't assume that because something is easy for you that it must therefore be easy for everyone, and that others that claim otherwise are just lazy.
- Puts 11y ago
  > Please don't assume that because something is easy for you that it must therefore be easy for everyone But I didn't say changing my sleep cycle has been easy, and I didn't even say I've managed to do it by my selves. Or that I even would have healthy sleep habits at this moment. But depending on mental health, diet, exercise, employment vs studies. These things have made me have all sorts of sleeping habits, and my personal belief is that these outer circumstances has had much greater impact on my sleep then anything in my genes. And that's why don't like this idea of morning and night persons as it only enhances thee feeling that you can not change your ways.
pygy_ 11y ago
> Personally [I'm not affected by X]. So I don't really believe [X exists at all]. Do you personally believe that everyone is made exactly like you?
contingencies 11y ago
Exactly. I quit smoking and (temporarily, to help with that) drinking recently and immediately regressed to my early bird habits, which I have had from childhood, and involve waking up pre-dawn. (It's 5:30AM now, and I've been waking up at 4AM for a week.) Personally I enjoy both rhythms, and vacillate between them as it suits. There is no doubt in my mind that 'early bird' is healthier for me personally, though.

by Puts 11y ago

TeMPOraL 11y ago

I'm thankful for such excuse (or rather I would be if anyone actually bought it), because it's simpler to say "I'm a night owl" than explaining how I can't adjust my sleeping patterns even with chemicals to match that of everyone else, and how this is making me miserable in life. Some of us have their internal clocks running in a different timezone. Mine is LocalTime+4.

jsutton 11y ago

Habits can be changed, but your circadian rhythm has a natural state which is different for everyone, and it's an eternal struggle if those two things are at odds with each other.

ergothus 11y ago

Isn't it possible that you are just more flexible to changing your cycle than others? I need a lot of sleep - I'm very jealous of my coworkers that can stay up until 1-4 am and still be at work at 9. Meanwhile I need 8 hours of sleep minimum, or after 3 days I'm a zombie. Just last night I slept for 11 hours (no exaggeration) because I crashed after too many nights short of sleep. I'm also a night owl - I wake at 7, and come night time I force myself to bed at 11 - I could be up for hours, but not if I want to wake on time, and while waking earlier would be great for my schedule, I can't just shift my 8-hour sleep window - I've tried. It's possible that I and others with similar situations are just making excuses (and presumably that's true for at least some), but it's also possible that you are using your single experience to denounce others. Please don't assume that because something is easy for you that it must therefore be easy for everyone, and that others that claim otherwise are just lazy.

Puts 11y ago
> Please don't assume that because something is easy for you that it must therefore be easy for everyone But I didn't say changing my sleep cycle has been easy, and I didn't even say I've managed to do it by my selves. Or that I even would have healthy sleep habits at this moment. But depending on mental health, diet, exercise, employment vs studies. These things have made me have all sorts of sleeping habits, and my personal belief is that these outer circumstances has had much greater impact on my sleep then anything in my genes. And that's why don't like this idea of morning and night persons as it only enhances thee feeling that you can not change your ways.

pygy_ 11y ago

> Personally [I'm not affected by X]. So I don't really believe [X exists at all]. Do you personally believe that everyone is made exactly like you?

contingencies 11y ago

Exactly. I quit smoking and (temporarily, to help with that) drinking recently and immediately regressed to my early bird habits, which I have had from childhood, and involve waking up pre-dawn. (It's 5:30AM now, and I've been waking up at 4AM for a week.) Personally I enjoy both rhythms, and vacillate between them as it suits. There is no doubt in my mind that 'early bird' is healthier for me personally, though.