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Majority of people dont care about new shiny, they care about things that broke or changed. Probably 90% of them started complaining because print statement is

by rasz_pl 11y ago

Majority of people dont care about new shiny, they care about things that broke or changed. Probably 90% of them started complaining because print statement is a function :). Python 3 insistence on unicode hurts my brain. I had a 'pleasure' of writing Python 3 script manipulating data produced by Python 2 (custom pickle). Ended up reimplementing whole Python 2 pickle library by hand, because apparently no one imagined a use case involving reading raw bytes into a buffer.

DasIch 11y ago
The problem is really that Python 3 isn't new and shiny. It's an attempt to improve some downsides of Python 2 and some parts did actually get better but many parts didn't although they easily could have been improved, some parts even got worse. Python 3 provides no real benefit to an experienced Python developer. So considering all the things you could possibly do, switching to Python 3 is not switchting to a new and shiny thing, it's just a bad decision. If you really want to switch to something new and shiny, there are now many more interesting language options. Modern Javascript has copied so much from Python, you can feel very much at home there. If you care about concurrency, you have Go. If you care about concurrency and care about using a language that's well designed or just want performance, there is Rust.
- lqdc13 11y ago
  async lib is really really nice. You can easily issue async requests now. Also, a bunch of useful utilities were improved like shutil.
  - DasIch 11y ago
    The idea behind asyncio is nice. The API is mostly nice. The new async/await syntax that has been added mostly with asyncio is great. The documentation however is a horrible mess and the implementation could almost certainly be a lot better. Now it's in the standard library though... David Beazley recently held a great talk on this very topic, in which he goes into these issues in more detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYe8W04ERnY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYe8W04ERnY

by rasz_pl 11y ago

DasIch 11y ago

The problem is really that Python 3 isn't new and shiny. It's an attempt to improve some downsides of Python 2 and some parts did actually get better but many parts didn't although they easily could have been improved, some parts even got worse. Python 3 provides no real benefit to an experienced Python developer. So considering all the things you could possibly do, switching to Python 3 is not switchting to a new and shiny thing, it's just a bad decision. If you really want to switch to something new and shiny, there are now many more interesting language options. Modern Javascript has copied so much from Python, you can feel very much at home there. If you care about concurrency, you have Go. If you care about concurrency and care about using a language that's well designed or just want performance, there is Rust.

lqdc13 11y ago
async lib is really really nice. You can easily issue async requests now. Also, a bunch of useful utilities were improved like shutil.
- DasIch 11y ago
  The idea behind asyncio is nice. The API is mostly nice. The new async/await syntax that has been added mostly with asyncio is great. The documentation however is a horrible mess and the implementation could almost certainly be a lot better. Now it's in the standard library though... David Beazley recently held a great talk on this very topic, in which he goes into these issues in more detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYe8W04ERnY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYe8W04ERnY