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>Seems like the Muslims of 2015 are basically moving to the position of the Jews of 1915. Except that the Jews of 1915 were not blowing up, mas-murdering nor t

>Seems like the Muslims of 2015 are basically moving to the position of the Jews of 1915. Except that the Jews of 1915 were not blowing up, mas-murdering nor terrorizing people, nor were they waging war on non-Jews. Also, Jews were prosecuted throughout the world and eventually deported and/or killed, while Muslims are not in any way. Concluding, it is not alike in any way.

dragonwriter 11y ago
> Except that the Jews of 1915 were not blowing up, mas-murdering nor terrorizing people, nor were they waging war on non-Jews. Yeah, the rise in Zionist terrorism in Palestine was about 20 years after that.
- planck01 11y ago
  That is one similarity between Jews and Isis Muslims, they both claim a country based on their religious texts. I don't know what you try to frame as 'Zionist terrorism'. I am not a fan of many Israeli actions, but as far as I know there were no structural attempts of structurally terrorizing and brutalizing Palastinians by Israel that are in any way similar to what we see Isis doing today.
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    > I don't know what you try to frame as 'Zionist terrorism'. Acts of terrorism, including deliberate bombings, gunning down of civilians, etc., carried out by supporters of an independent Jewish state within what was then Mandatory Palestine by groups such as Irgun (a direct linear ancestor of the modern Likud Party.) > I am not a fan of many Israeli actions, but as far as I know there were no structural attempts of structurally terrorizing and brutalizing Palastinians by Israel Israel was largely built by people who engaged in terrorizing and brutalizing Palestinians in the name of the goal of creating the State of Israel. (To be fair, there was terrorism on both sides and organized terrorism on the Arab side against the Jewish side started first. But if we accept that targeting innocent civilians for terror is acceptable as long as someone did it to you first, well, most terrorist groups in history could point to someone who they saw as terrorizing the population they purport to represent first, and characterize their own terrorism as retribution against the group from which those attacks came, and supporters and sympathizers.)
_nedR 11y ago
>Except that the Jews of 1915 were not blowing up, mas-murdering nor terrorizing people, nor were they waging war on non-Jews. You are saying that if a small subset of Jews were blowing up, mass-murdering and terrorizing people (which they did during the zionist insurgency, and are also doing today), That means that would justify the persecution of the world's Jews and the general anti-semitic sentiment of the mainstream during that period?
- planck01 11y ago
  >That means that would justify the persecution of the world's Jews and the general anti-semitic sentiment of the mainstream during that period? Of course not. But they were persecuted. But the point is: Muslims are not. So your opinion that Muslims are in the same position as the Jews in 1915 is nonsense. > which they did during the zionist insurgency, and are also doing today I think that implying that what Israel does today is similar to the barbaric acts of constant mass murdering, ethnic cleansing, torturing, raping and beheading that is done by Isis is absurd.
  - _nedR 11y ago
    >So your opinion that Muslims are in the same position I didn't say we were. I said wewere moving to that position. > I think that implying that what Israel does today is similar to the barbaric acts of constant mass murdering, ethnic cleansing, torturing, raping and beheading that is done by Isis is absurd It is absurd and again i didn't imply it. Here is what you said : >Except that the Jews of 1915 were not blowing up, mas-murdering nor terrorizing people, nor were they waging war on non-Jews. and how i paraphrased it >You are saying that if a small subset of Jews were blowing up, mass-murdering and terrorizing people We can quibble over terminology, intentions, plausible deniability and collateral damage, but it is hard to deny that at a subset of Israeli actions can be reasonably construed as "blowing up, mass-murdering and terrorizing people". Again my original point is : ISIS isn't equal to all muslims same way zionist insurgent isn't equate to all jews. Biggest victims of ISIS are muslims. So when you say "Except that the Jews of 1915 were not blowing up, mas-murdering nor terrorizing people, nor were they waging war on non-Jews" you are lumping all muslims together with isis which is frankly dangerous and abhorrent. Your comment illustrates my original point. The Jews of 1915 were blamed by mainstream for lot of things they didn't do or had little to do with. Muslims as a group are being increasingly blamed for actions of a few people over which they have little/no control.

dragonwriter 11y ago

> Except that the Jews of 1915 were not blowing up, mas-murdering nor terrorizing people, nor were they waging war on non-Jews. Yeah, the rise in Zionist terrorism in Palestine was about 20 years after that.

planck01 11y ago
That is one similarity between Jews and Isis Muslims, they both claim a country based on their religious texts. I don't know what you try to frame as 'Zionist terrorism'. I am not a fan of many Israeli actions, but as far as I know there were no structural attempts of structurally terrorizing and brutalizing Palastinians by Israel that are in any way similar to what we see Isis doing today.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > I don't know what you try to frame as 'Zionist terrorism'. Acts of terrorism, including deliberate bombings, gunning down of civilians, etc., carried out by supporters of an independent Jewish state within what was then Mandatory Palestine by groups such as Irgun (a direct linear ancestor of the modern Likud Party.) > I am not a fan of many Israeli actions, but as far as I know there were no structural attempts of structurally terrorizing and brutalizing Palastinians by Israel Israel was largely built by people who engaged in terrorizing and brutalizing Palestinians in the name of the goal of creating the State of Israel. (To be fair, there was terrorism on both sides and organized terrorism on the Arab side against the Jewish side started first. But if we accept that targeting innocent civilians for terror is acceptable as long as someone did it to you first, well, most terrorist groups in history could point to someone who they saw as terrorizing the population they purport to represent first, and characterize their own terrorism as retribution against the group from which those attacks came, and supporters and sympathizers.)

_nedR 11y ago

>Except that the Jews of 1915 were not blowing up, mas-murdering nor terrorizing people, nor were they waging war on non-Jews. You are saying that if a small subset of Jews were blowing up, mass-murdering and terrorizing people (which they did during the zionist insurgency, and are also doing today), That means that would justify the persecution of the world's Jews and the general anti-semitic sentiment of the mainstream during that period?

planck01 11y ago
>That means that would justify the persecution of the world's Jews and the general anti-semitic sentiment of the mainstream during that period? Of course not. But they were persecuted. But the point is: Muslims are not. So your opinion that Muslims are in the same position as the Jews in 1915 is nonsense. > which they did during the zionist insurgency, and are also doing today I think that implying that what Israel does today is similar to the barbaric acts of constant mass murdering, ethnic cleansing, torturing, raping and beheading that is done by Isis is absurd.
- _nedR 11y ago
  >So your opinion that Muslims are in the same position I didn't say we were. I said wewere moving to that position. > I think that implying that what Israel does today is similar to the barbaric acts of constant mass murdering, ethnic cleansing, torturing, raping and beheading that is done by Isis is absurd It is absurd and again i didn't imply it. Here is what you said : >Except that the Jews of 1915 were not blowing up, mas-murdering nor terrorizing people, nor were they waging war on non-Jews. and how i paraphrased it >You are saying that if a small subset of Jews were blowing up, mass-murdering and terrorizing people We can quibble over terminology, intentions, plausible deniability and collateral damage, but it is hard to deny that at a subset of Israeli actions can be reasonably construed as "blowing up, mass-murdering and terrorizing people". Again my original point is : ISIS isn't equal to all muslims same way zionist insurgent isn't equate to all jews. Biggest victims of ISIS are muslims. So when you say "Except that the Jews of 1915 were not blowing up, mas-murdering nor terrorizing people, nor were they waging war on non-Jews" you are lumping all muslims together with isis which is frankly dangerous and abhorrent. Your comment illustrates my original point. The Jews of 1915 were blamed by mainstream for lot of things they didn't do or had little to do with. Muslims as a group are being increasingly blamed for actions of a few people over which they have little/no control.