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Jetbrains IDEs are highly regarded and run very well under Linux.

by gtaylor 11y ago

smacktoward 11y ago
Highly regarded? Absolutely. Run very well under Linux? I dunno about that part. I run PHPStorm on a workstation with 16GB of RAM and it still huffs and puffs on occasion when doing stuff like indexing files or running their Intellisense-alike. It's fine, I can live with it, but it's not exactly "wow, this thing really flies!" performance.
shaneofalltrad 11y ago
I agree, use Pycharm, Webstorm and PHPStorm(rarely these days) on all of my Ubuntu laptops with no issues except when doing things any IDE would slow on, due to the background activity(your cpu) out of the control of the Software.
odonnellryan 11y ago
I love Jetbrains products, but under Linux they are nowhere near as stable as VS is on Windows, or even Jetbrains apps on Windows. They're slower, and some features don't quite work right all the time.
- olavgg 11y ago
  What? Stop lying and spreading false rumors. IntelliJ Idea and PyCharm are rock stable on Linux, they are not slower and if something isn't working then please let Jetbrains know.
  - dang 11y ago
    > What? Stop lying This kind of thing is not allowed in HN comments. Please post civilly and substantively or not at all. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html
  - odonnellryan 11y ago
    It's just my experience, and I've had the same experience through multiple machines.
- jinst8gmi 11y ago
  I've used IntelliJ on Linux, Windows and Mac for many years and haven't encountered any of the issues you're describing.
- spdionis 11y ago
  Worked extensively with phpstorm both on windows and linux (mint). Works perfectly on both platforms with no difference.
mschuster91 11y ago
Jetbrains stuff eats up nearly as much RAM as Eclipse. If you're not on an 8+GB machine, prepare for your SSD life being massively reduced due to swap.
- spdionis 11y ago
  8GB of ram is not hard to get today, and jetbrains ide's speed when you have that is pretty impressive compared to features. Also for the more focused editions (pycharm, phpstorm, rubymine) they have even better performance compared to intellij (which usually comes with too many plugins installed).
  - mschuster91 11y ago
    Remember, not everyone has the cash to shell out for a shiny new Macbook (or an IT department willing to do so!). There are more than enough people who don't have the resources.
    - spdionis 11y ago
      My pc handles it very well and it costed me 500$. Later RAM upgrade included.
azinman2 11y ago
I'm giving my opinion and I think the experience is crap. * Jank occurs frequently * hidpi support until theoretically recently was only on the Mac * it's too often indexing * vim support is mediocre * themes are terrible and require difficult ways of installing instead of centralizing and hosting * too many tiny icons of poor design with no text unless you hover * overall UX is terrible (why can't it be like someone Apple would design for consumers -- Xcode isn't their finest work but is better than the low bar of IntelliJ) * font rendering is shit (blame Java) * their iOS environment is such a shit show that it's not even funny, and only now they're opening Xcode for IB instead of having a decent replacement that can do story boards (does it even have swift 2.1 support?) * many more issues but this is enough
- gtaylor 11y ago
  It's all subjective. Objectively, they have a huge following with many enthusiastic users. Clearly it's not the disaster that you are making it out to be. I love some PyCharm. It's a wonderful piece of software. It is a little slow to start, and it is indeed heavy on memory, but RAM is cheap and I don't reboot hardly ever. It is 100% a first-class citizen on Linux.
  - azinman2 11y ago
    Having a huge number of users doesn't mean the product is what it could be. Windows 3.1 had a lot of numbers -- does that mean it was "good?" I don't know why programmers have to deal with such shit tools. Everything is more/less the same since the 80s, with the exception of github, git, and lib centers like maven or pip. Otherwise the fundamental experience of text editors is the same, and even IDEs are more/less the same. Meanwhile our interfaces have vastly improved otherwise. That's what I'm talking about. The bar should be higher than VS. The bar should be as high or higher than the iPhone itself.

Jetbrains IDEs are highly regarded and run very well under Linux.

by gtaylor 11y ago

Jetbrains IDEs are highly regarded and run very well under Linux.

Highly regarded? Absolutely. Run very well under Linux? I dunno about that part. I run PHPStorm on a workstation with 16GB of RAM and it still huffs and puffs on occasion when doing stuff like indexing files or running their Intellisense-alike. It's fine, I can live with it, but it's not exactly "wow, this thing really flies!" performance.

shaneofalltrad 11y ago

I agree, use Pycharm, Webstorm and PHPStorm(rarely these days) on all of my Ubuntu laptops with no issues except when doing things any IDE would slow on, due to the background activity(your cpu) out of the control of the Software.

odonnellryan 11y ago

I love Jetbrains products, but under Linux they are nowhere near as stable as VS is on Windows, or even Jetbrains apps on Windows. They're slower, and some features don't quite work right all the time.

olavgg 11y ago
What? Stop lying and spreading false rumors. IntelliJ Idea and PyCharm are rock stable on Linux, they are not slower and if something isn't working then please let Jetbrains know.
- dang 11y ago
  > What? Stop lying This kind of thing is not allowed in HN comments. Please post civilly and substantively or not at all. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html
- odonnellryan 11y ago
  It's just my experience, and I've had the same experience through multiple machines.
jinst8gmi 11y ago
I've used IntelliJ on Linux, Windows and Mac for many years and haven't encountered any of the issues you're describing.
spdionis 11y ago
Worked extensively with phpstorm both on windows and linux (mint). Works perfectly on both platforms with no difference.

mschuster91 11y ago

Jetbrains stuff eats up nearly as much RAM as Eclipse. If you're not on an 8+GB machine, prepare for your SSD life being massively reduced due to swap.

spdionis 11y ago
8GB of ram is not hard to get today, and jetbrains ide's speed when you have that is pretty impressive compared to features. Also for the more focused editions (pycharm, phpstorm, rubymine) they have even better performance compared to intellij (which usually comes with too many plugins installed).
- mschuster91 11y ago
  Remember, not everyone has the cash to shell out for a shiny new Macbook (or an IT department willing to do so!). There are more than enough people who don't have the resources.
  - spdionis 11y ago
    My pc handles it very well and it costed me 500$. Later RAM upgrade included.

azinman2 11y ago

I'm giving my opinion and I think the experience is crap. * Jank occurs frequently * hidpi support until theoretically recently was only on the Mac * it's too often indexing * vim support is mediocre * themes are terrible and require difficult ways of installing instead of centralizing and hosting * too many tiny icons of poor design with no text unless you hover * overall UX is terrible (why can't it be like someone Apple would design for consumers -- Xcode isn't their finest work but is better than the low bar of IntelliJ) * font rendering is shit (blame Java) * their iOS environment is such a shit show that it's not even funny, and only now they're opening Xcode for IB instead of having a decent replacement that can do story boards (does it even have swift 2.1 support?) * many more issues but this is enough

gtaylor 11y ago
It's all subjective. Objectively, they have a huge following with many enthusiastic users. Clearly it's not the disaster that you are making it out to be. I love some PyCharm. It's a wonderful piece of software. It is a little slow to start, and it is indeed heavy on memory, but RAM is cheap and I don't reboot hardly ever. It is 100% a first-class citizen on Linux.
- azinman2 11y ago
  Having a huge number of users doesn't mean the product is what it could be. Windows 3.1 had a lot of numbers -- does that mean it was "good?" I don't know why programmers have to deal with such shit tools. Everything is more/less the same since the 80s, with the exception of github, git, and lib centers like maven or pip. Otherwise the fundamental experience of text editors is the same, and even IDEs are more/less the same. Meanwhile our interfaces have vastly improved otherwise. That's what I'm talking about. The bar should be higher than VS. The bar should be as high or higher than the iPhone itself.