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Perl 6 started 15 years ago. Perl was the workhorse of the early web, when I was a young programmer interested in the web it seemed like the most worthwhile la

Perl 6 started 15 years ago. Perl was the workhorse of the early web, when I was a young programmer interested in the web it seemed like the most worthwhile language I could learn. Perl isn't dead but it's lost most of its appeal, and a large part of that is due to the failed development on Perl 6.

crusso 11y ago
Yeah, but that's not really the same as what has happened in the Python community where Python 3 has been available for so long but there's still resistance to making the shift. Perl 6 still isn't available.
- eeZi 11y ago
  All of the professional Python devs I personally know laugh at people who voluntarily stick with Python 2.
- s_kilk 11y ago
  Perl6 is very much available, right now: http://perl6.org/ http://perl6.org/
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    Incomplete implementations of Perl 6 that are identified as pre-final releases are available right now (and have been for some time), but that's different from a general release. A "complete" release is planned for this Christmas; its a very different situation than Python 3, which has had stable releases for several years, including several feature releases after the first stable release.
    - labster 11y ago
      I don't think it's fair to characterize Rakudo Perl 6 as incomplete, at least on the MoarVM backend. It is very nearly complete, with the bulk of the semantics fixed in years past. It is currently passing 122627 tests[1]. If you write code today, it will probably not break by December. I guess it still counts as unstable software, but I used Gmail beta for half a decade and that turned out fine. At this point, its a matter of nomenclature, because I've certainly used buggier "final release" software. [1]: https://github.com/coke/perl6-roast-data/commit/2aeeb87edc https://github.com/coke/perl6-roast-data/commit/2aeeb87edc
      - dragonwriter 11y ago
        > I don't think it's fair to characterize Rakudo Perl 6 as incomplete, at least on the MoarVM backend. Look, I think Rakudo Perl 6 is great, and its quite usable for many things. OTOH, I think it is quite fair to refer to it as "incomplete", because: > It is very nearly complete "very nearly complete" is a kind of "incomplete". You can't really make a fair comparison to Perl 6 uptake before even the Perl project is calling Perl 6 "ready" with Python 3 uptake 7 years after PSF said Python 3 was ready.

crusso 11y ago

Yeah, but that's not really the same as what has happened in the Python community where Python 3 has been available for so long but there's still resistance to making the shift. Perl 6 still isn't available.

eeZi 11y ago
All of the professional Python devs I personally know laugh at people who voluntarily stick with Python 2.
s_kilk 11y ago
Perl6 is very much available, right now: http://perl6.org/ http://perl6.org/
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  Incomplete implementations of Perl 6 that are identified as pre-final releases are available right now (and have been for some time), but that's different from a general release. A "complete" release is planned for this Christmas; its a very different situation than Python 3, which has had stable releases for several years, including several feature releases after the first stable release.
  - labster 11y ago
    I don't think it's fair to characterize Rakudo Perl 6 as incomplete, at least on the MoarVM backend. It is very nearly complete, with the bulk of the semantics fixed in years past. It is currently passing 122627 tests[1]. If you write code today, it will probably not break by December. I guess it still counts as unstable software, but I used Gmail beta for half a decade and that turned out fine. At this point, its a matter of nomenclature, because I've certainly used buggier "final release" software. [1]: https://github.com/coke/perl6-roast-data/commit/2aeeb87edc https://github.com/coke/perl6-roast-data/commit/2aeeb87edc
    - dragonwriter 11y ago
      > I don't think it's fair to characterize Rakudo Perl 6 as incomplete, at least on the MoarVM backend. Look, I think Rakudo Perl 6 is great, and its quite usable for many things. OTOH, I think it is quite fair to refer to it as "incomplete", because: > It is very nearly complete "very nearly complete" is a kind of "incomplete". You can't really make a fair comparison to Perl 6 uptake before even the Perl project is calling Perl 6 "ready" with Python 3 uptake 7 years after PSF said Python 3 was ready.