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During soviet invasion there was Islamic Unity of Afghanistan Mujahideen. Sympathizers of that group founded al-Qaeda. Sympathizers of Al-qaeda founded Taleban.

by vlehto 11y ago

During soviet invasion there was Islamic Unity of Afghanistan Mujahideen. Sympathizers of that group founded al-Qaeda. Sympathizers of Al-qaeda founded Taleban. Sympathizers Al-qaeda founded ISIS. Muslim extremists have shown potential to go international, local or underground. Name changes, people change, methods change. Bullshit continues. ISIS has predicted it's own downfall in near future, so they will appear to be right if they are stripped off land. Given internet is more widespread than ever, Muslims are more widespread than ever and secular Muslim leaders are in tough spot. Imagine ISIS will turn into international underground terrorist organization like al-quaeda? But with more vengeance, credibility and supporters. To me confiding the problem into poor part of middle east seems like the best option.

RobertoG 11y ago
You make a causal relation, that in my opinion is correct, between the Mujahideen and ISIS but you only mention the invasion of Afghanistan as it was circumstantial. It's a more correct theory, I think, to say that the Mujahideen were caused by the invasion of Afghanistan and the support of the CIA in order to mess with the Russians. And we could follow from there. Islam could be a religion of war or only an excuse that those that want to do war use, I have not the answer. But I feel dismay reading the discussion that there is now in Europe and the States. From the comment sections of HN or the NYT to the discourses of the politics, the majority of the commenters forget to talks about, for instance, why there is a "land of nobody" where the creation of a Caliphate is possible. It's like if Irak, Iran, EUA, Europe, Arabia, Israel has nothing to do with what is going here. As if it all the violence comes from something in the water in the region. How is it possible that the Islam nature is our main concern? To those that are so worried about how violent is the Islam I would like to remember that is the destruction of Iraq, Syria, and in general all the area, with uncountable deaths, by the way, what allow those crazy fanatics to be in a position of create a country. Surely some people would like to excuse all that saying that "mistakes were done". Ok, but, at least, we should talk about those mistakes.
- vlehto 11y ago
  Personally I avoid talking about those mistakes because they were not my mistakes. Nor mistakes of my country. I have absolutely no qualms with Iran, and never had. You could call me nationalist and cultural relativist. I really think any nation should have the option of forming a state. While I really don't agree with some stuff happening in Iran, it's really not my responsibility. I think the best option would be to have the daesh to transform into Sunni version of Iran. That's not going to fly because everybody is angry with them. But that seems to be the only way how things could realistically settle down in the long run.

by vlehto 11y ago

RobertoG 11y ago

You make a causal relation, that in my opinion is correct, between the Mujahideen and ISIS but you only mention the invasion of Afghanistan as it was circumstantial. It's a more correct theory, I think, to say that the Mujahideen were caused by the invasion of Afghanistan and the support of the CIA in order to mess with the Russians. And we could follow from there. Islam could be a religion of war or only an excuse that those that want to do war use, I have not the answer. But I feel dismay reading the discussion that there is now in Europe and the States. From the comment sections of HN or the NYT to the discourses of the politics, the majority of the commenters forget to talks about, for instance, why there is a "land of nobody" where the creation of a Caliphate is possible. It's like if Irak, Iran, EUA, Europe, Arabia, Israel has nothing to do with what is going here. As if it all the violence comes from something in the water in the region. How is it possible that the Islam nature is our main concern? To those that are so worried about how violent is the Islam I would like to remember that is the destruction of Iraq, Syria, and in general all the area, with uncountable deaths, by the way, what allow those crazy fanatics to be in a position of create a country. Surely some people would like to excuse all that saying that "mistakes were done". Ok, but, at least, we should talk about those mistakes.

vlehto 11y ago
Personally I avoid talking about those mistakes because they were not my mistakes. Nor mistakes of my country. I have absolutely no qualms with Iran, and never had. You could call me nationalist and cultural relativist. I really think any nation should have the option of forming a state. While I really don't agree with some stuff happening in Iran, it's really not my responsibility. I think the best option would be to have the daesh to transform into Sunni version of Iran. That's not going to fly because everybody is angry with them. But that seems to be the only way how things could realistically settle down in the long run.