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First: The purpose of unemployment insurance is to provide some income while you remain unemployed. That's why it's called "unemployment insurance" and not "get

by crux_ 17y ago

First: The purpose of unemployment insurance is to provide some income while you remain unemployed. That's why it's called "unemployment insurance" and not "get a job, any job, insurance." Second: It's a form of insurance. When you have a job, you (via your employer) pay into an unemployment insurance pool; when unemployed, you draw from it. It's not government money, it's your money, via a government program. This is why you get higher UI benefits if you had a higher salary. It's why when you're self employed and don't pay into the system, you get nothing if your business folds. Etc. Third: it sounds like you're the sort who has an issue with any government assistance period. That's fine, but it doesn't give you the right to expect others to martyr themselves in the name of your ideals. Fourth: the oft-repeated mythical welfare queen imagery leaves a very bad impression of you. Make your argument; don't bring up side issues, particularly "dog whistle" ones.

kiba 17y ago
Third: it sounds like you're the sort who has an issue with any government assistance period. That's fine, but it doesn't give you the right to expect others to martyr themselves in the name of your ideals. The quotes "taxation is theft" applies here. People will work themselves up for no other reason that they felt being wronged by others. Nobody like their money goes to people who have not worked a single cent for it or have a need for it.
noodle 17y ago
1) i never said any job. unemployment insurance is to make sure that you have the opportunity to find another job to maintain your standard of living. if you're living fine off unemployment payments and you're taking a bit of a pay cut in a prospective job, you're not taking a standard of living hit, just a pay cut. 2)form of insurance, yes, but it does not pay out forever. there are limits on it. if you get fired, you can't sit on unemployment until you die. hence, if you found a job that helps maintain your standard of living, you're more rational to take the job than not take it and possibly end up with no income, hungry children, a forclosure, reposessions, etc.. 3)ironically, i'm not. i'm quite pro assistance programs and mildly socialist. unemployment, welfare, etc. are all great programs if they are assisting the people who need them. people who don't need them shouldn't be drawing from them, though. 4) you don't think i made an argument? and if thats the way you feel, thats fine, you don't have to answer me. i don't appreciate shifting the focus to me instead of the argument, though. arguing by analogy is limited, but i think my inquiry is specific enough to fit inside the valid range.
- crux_ 17y ago
  Re: (1): Unemployment typically pays less than half what your former job paid; taking a job that pays even less than that is rather more than "just a pay cut." Re: (2): I don't feel a need to second-guess this woman's decision. The only real purposes in doing so would be to cultivate a sense of superiority or to make an argument-by-proxy against the existence/current structure of unemployment insurance. I'm still not sure which of the two you're aiming for. Re: (4): Your argument was clear. In its subtext, you were calling on me to feel the same disdain toward this unemployed person as I would towards a poor black single mother.

by crux_ 17y ago

kiba 17y ago

Third: it sounds like you're the sort who has an issue with any government assistance period. That's fine, but it doesn't give you the right to expect others to martyr themselves in the name of your ideals. The quotes "taxation is theft" applies here. People will work themselves up for no other reason that they felt being wronged by others. Nobody like their money goes to people who have not worked a single cent for it or have a need for it.

noodle 17y ago

1) i never said any job. unemployment insurance is to make sure that you have the opportunity to find another job to maintain your standard of living. if you're living fine off unemployment payments and you're taking a bit of a pay cut in a prospective job, you're not taking a standard of living hit, just a pay cut. 2)form of insurance, yes, but it does not pay out forever. there are limits on it. if you get fired, you can't sit on unemployment until you die. hence, if you found a job that helps maintain your standard of living, you're more rational to take the job than not take it and possibly end up with no income, hungry children, a forclosure, reposessions, etc.. 3)ironically, i'm not. i'm quite pro assistance programs and mildly socialist. unemployment, welfare, etc. are all great programs if they are assisting the people who need them. people who don't need them shouldn't be drawing from them, though. 4) you don't think i made an argument? and if thats the way you feel, thats fine, you don't have to answer me. i don't appreciate shifting the focus to me instead of the argument, though. arguing by analogy is limited, but i think my inquiry is specific enough to fit inside the valid range.

crux_ 17y ago
Re: (1): Unemployment typically pays less than half what your former job paid; taking a job that pays even less than that is rather more than "just a pay cut." Re: (2): I don't feel a need to second-guess this woman's decision. The only real purposes in doing so would be to cultivate a sense of superiority or to make an argument-by-proxy against the existence/current structure of unemployment insurance. I'm still not sure which of the two you're aiming for. Re: (4): Your argument was clear. In its subtext, you were calling on me to feel the same disdain toward this unemployed person as I would towards a poor black single mother.