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How did he betray his nation exactly? From where I'm sitting, it looks like he did everyone except the government a huge fucking favour. Your government is no

by ionised 11y ago

How did he betray his nation exactly? From where I'm sitting, it looks like he did everyone except the government a huge fucking favour. Your government is not your nation, and your government are the ones betraying you.

zeveb 11y ago
> How did he betray his nation exactly? He revealed information about supposed national-security intelligence-collection measures. > From where I'm sitting, it looks like he did everyone except the government a huge fucking favour. He certainly did the Chinese and Russian governments a huge favour. > Your government is not your nation, and your government are the ones betraying you. Hardly. Nothing he has alleged is illegal; nothing he has alleged is unconstitutional; everything he has alleged was appropriately targeted. I'll grant him this much: he doesn't think he's evil; he thinks he's doing good. But what he's actually done is cause exceptionally grave damage to the government and people of the United States of America (and, insofar as the United States act as guarantors of the Pax Americana, he's endangered the rest of the world as well).
- JoeAltmaier 11y ago
  Well that's the whole argument there - what he revealed was illegal and unconstitutional. Denial of that makes him look pretty bad, I admit.
- ionised 11y ago
  > He certainly did the Chinese and Russian governments a huge favour. How? > Hardly. Nothing he has alleged is illegal; nothing he has alleged is unconstitutional; everything he has alleged was appropriately targeted. Have you been reading the same news/leaks as I have? > But what he's actually done is cause exceptionally grave damage to the government and people of the United States of America (and, insofar as the United States act as guarantors of the Pax Americana, he's endangered the rest of the world as well). Again, how do you know this?
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by ionised 11y ago

zeveb 11y ago

> How did he betray his nation exactly? He revealed information about supposed national-security intelligence-collection measures. > From where I'm sitting, it looks like he did everyone except the government a huge fucking favour. He certainly did the Chinese and Russian governments a huge favour. > Your government is not your nation, and your government are the ones betraying you. Hardly. Nothing he has alleged is illegal; nothing he has alleged is unconstitutional; everything he has alleged was appropriately targeted. I'll grant him this much: he doesn't think he's evil; he thinks he's doing good. But what he's actually done is cause exceptionally grave damage to the government and people of the United States of America (and, insofar as the United States act as guarantors of the Pax Americana, he's endangered the rest of the world as well).

JoeAltmaier 11y ago
Well that's the whole argument there - what he revealed was illegal and unconstitutional. Denial of that makes him look pretty bad, I admit.
ionised 11y ago
> He certainly did the Chinese and Russian governments a huge favour. How? > Hardly. Nothing he has alleged is illegal; nothing he has alleged is unconstitutional; everything he has alleged was appropriately targeted. Have you been reading the same news/leaks as I have? > But what he's actually done is cause exceptionally grave damage to the government and people of the United States of America (and, insofar as the United States act as guarantors of the Pax Americana, he's endangered the rest of the world as well). Again, how do you know this?
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