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"true goal of all the governments and agencies is...a power-play for the control of information." You sir, are very close to the truth. The reality is that it
by arca_vorago 11y ago
"true goal of all the governments and agencies is...a power-play for the control of information."
You sir, are very close to the truth. The reality is that it isn't about control of the information per se, but what can be accomplished with said information. In this case, the "information" we are referring to is the massive amount of metadata we generate, not to mention the content thereof, and I would posit that the true goal is the control of the people, through ownership of the information. The distinction is a small but important one. It is about control, not security, and anybody saying otherwise is generally ill-informed or ignorant.
From an intelligence side of things, it used to take so much effort to do dirty tricks on people. You had to black bag their place of residence, you had to tail them for days, weeks, sometimes months.
These days, you just PRISM/ECHELON your way into their data, pull all the dirt you need out, and approach them with your demands as you will.
This is only one of the most palpable dangers of the surveillance age, in that the intel agencies and potential moles/infiltrators can potentially have vast amounts of power over institutions they shouldn't, for example, congress. It's essentially setting us up for a coup d'etat of the oligarchy. (people need to remember that the OSS/CIA came straight out of London/WallStreet! I think people should also be made aware of the often at odds nature of the different intel agencies. I think military intelligence is rightly suspicious of the Company.)
I spent a long time trying to understand this machine because I was an action arm of it at one time (and perhaps if called upon, may one day again be), and my conclusions are not hopeful, pretty, and often are considered conspiracy theory. What I have said above only scratches the surface.
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- arca_vorago 11y agoThank you for the correction, mental note added and comment edited.
- heroh 11y ago>What I have said above only scratches the surface. keep going. be aware the analytical & technically savy are also considered threats to the establishment: "NSA: Linux Journal is an "extremist forum" and its readers get flagged for extra surveillance" http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extremist-forum-and-its-readers-get-flagged-extra-surveillance http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extrem...
- arca_vorago 11y agoWell, that leaves it pretty open, but heres a quick rundown: We found out about continuity of government during Iran contra, but were misled into thinking it went away. The people mostly responsible for it were the same neocons who manipulated GW Bush (eg: Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bremer) The best writing about this is from former diplomat Peter Dale Scott. I think it's possible that CoG is in effect and the Constitution has been secretly superseded by secret law. (Originally designed for nuclear attack, it was later expanded to be overly broad so as to potentially apply to almost any "national emergency". By the way, we have officially been in a state of "national emergency" since 2001, with renewal every year by all presidents since. Beyond that, resource wars are incoming, which includes a reduction of the power of the petrodollar, which is the core reason behind expansion into the Middle East, Africa and the Russian border (Georgia 08, Ukraine). Add to that the fact that since 2010 Citizens United, corruption of our electoral process is almost unilateral, that we are haemorrhaging jobs to overseas (which will increase once the TPP TTIP inevitably passes), and even if the horribly destructive so called "free-trade" systems don't do it, we are on the verge of an automation age which will remove many jobs from the market, and the oligarchy are increasingly done extracting wealth from third world countries and have turned inward and are now eating their own people so to say. With the surveillance engine already in place, the inevitable unrest will be put down harshly (for national security of course), and the internet will be balkanised and the real world model of law will be applied to the internet... you know, the one were everything is illegal and everyone commits at least three felonies a day, so then you can arbitrarily enforce the law in order to stifle dissent. All three branches of the government are compromised, and the fourth estate is in the gutter, along with the education system. So basically we are returning to some strange form of neo-fuedalism, but this time it will be high-tech and global.