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That goes for a lot of issues, it's hard to empathize. Addict? Just stop using Alcoholic? Just stop drinking Gambling issues? Just stop betting Depressed? J

by atwebb 11y ago

That goes for a lot of issues, it's hard to empathize. Addict? Just stop using Alcoholic? Just stop drinking Gambling issues? Just stop betting Depressed? Just cheer up Unmotivated? Just try harder There are underlying, complex factors to most of these and many other issues. It's easier to ignore them when you've never directly dealt with it.

sharpray 11y ago
There's an obvious difference here. If the addict can't find drugs anymore, he can't use them. If the alcoholic can't find alcohol anymore, he can't drink it. If the gambler can't find slot machines, he can't gamble. If the overeater can't find food, he can't eat. The same can't be said for depressed and unmotivated people - there's nothing you can take away from them in order to keep them from suffering depression or demotivation. Since they themselves can't take those things away from themselves for their own good, the addic, the alcoholic, the gambler and the overeater really suffer from the same problem, lack of self-control. EDIT: atwebb: Since having self-control would suffice to stop using drugs, drinking alcohol, gambling, and overeating, therefore one who can't stop doing any of those has to be lacking self-control. Tell me where you got lost in that argument.
- atwebb 11y ago
  >lack of self-control I don't know where you come from, I don't know what life you've led and things you've seen. In my experiences, self-control is hardly the actual problem. The addictions/compulsions are manifestations of the depression or the lack of self-worth or mental imbalances or personal issue X.
allencoin 11y ago
>Unmotivated? Just try harder Or my personal favorite, "Work harder."
mseebach 11y ago
Yes, absolutely -- but all of these ills, as with obesity, are possibly even more ill-served by an acceptance movement.
- atwebb 11y ago
  We agree though I'd phrase it as, acceptance being the most important part. The individual accepting their status/issue/persona and not society acquiescing. It's all very specific and personal.
- rtl49 11y ago
  You seem to have confused promoting positive health decisions among obese individuals notwithstanding the amount of food they consume, and the acceptance of obesity as a healthy condition in itself. However much some have misinterpreted "Healthy at Every Size," the former is its organizing principle.

by atwebb 11y ago

sharpray 11y ago

There's an obvious difference here. If the addict can't find drugs anymore, he can't use them. If the alcoholic can't find alcohol anymore, he can't drink it. If the gambler can't find slot machines, he can't gamble. If the overeater can't find food, he can't eat. The same can't be said for depressed and unmotivated people - there's nothing you can take away from them in order to keep them from suffering depression or demotivation. Since they themselves can't take those things away from themselves for their own good, the addic, the alcoholic, the gambler and the overeater really suffer from the same problem, lack of self-control. EDIT: atwebb: Since having self-control would suffice to stop using drugs, drinking alcohol, gambling, and overeating, therefore one who can't stop doing any of those has to be lacking self-control. Tell me where you got lost in that argument.

atwebb 11y ago
>lack of self-control I don't know where you come from, I don't know what life you've led and things you've seen. In my experiences, self-control is hardly the actual problem. The addictions/compulsions are manifestations of the depression or the lack of self-worth or mental imbalances or personal issue X.

allencoin 11y ago

>Unmotivated? Just try harder Or my personal favorite, "Work harder."

mseebach 11y ago

Yes, absolutely -- but all of these ills, as with obesity, are possibly even more ill-served by an acceptance movement.

atwebb 11y ago
We agree though I'd phrase it as, acceptance being the most important part. The individual accepting their status/issue/persona and not society acquiescing. It's all very specific and personal.
rtl49 11y ago
You seem to have confused promoting positive health decisions among obese individuals notwithstanding the amount of food they consume, and the acceptance of obesity as a healthy condition in itself. However much some have misinterpreted "Healthy at Every Size," the former is its organizing principle.