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I don't disagree with the fact that there are and have been domestic Christian extremists. I was specifically responding to DanBC's claim that US citizens are

by crusso 11y ago

I don't disagree with the fact that there are and have been domestic Christian extremists. I was specifically responding to DanBC's claim that US citizens are at GREATER risk from the police and Christian terrorists. What information sources do you follow that indicate that Christian extremism is even remotely as great a threat as Islamic extremism? When I look at the FBI most wanted terrorists lists and other sources, I see a complete dominance by Islamic terrorist groups. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/10/23/fbi-comey-isil-domestic-probes/74455460/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/10/23/fbi-c... Contrary to your claim that the DoJ is downplaying domestic terrorism, I've noted several efforts by the administration to "talk up" domestic terrorism and downplay Islamic terrorism - then when pressed on who these domestic terrorists are, administration officials have been at a loss to name any specifics.

dragonwriter 11y ago
> What information sources do you follow that indicate that Christian extremism is even remotely as great a threat as Islamic extremism? Actual statistics on who kills Americans in America. > When I look at the FBI most wanted terrorists lists That tells you which individuals the FBI sees the most value to the policy objectives set by their political leadership to draw public attention to. It doesn't tell you anything about relative risk of classes of terrorists. At most, given complete trust of the judgement of the FBI and assumption of their policy objectives being aligned with risk to Americans and assumption that there are no factors other than risk weighing into what they draw public attention to, it gives you information on the relative risk attached to individual terrorists. But, even then, if there are relatively fewer Islamic groups posing danger to Americans, and each of those groups is more dependent on a narrow set of senior leaders for effectiveness, then members of Islamic groups could be dominate the 10 most wanted list by being the individuals responsible for the most risk, even while Christian groups are collectively responsible for greater risk. > Contrary to your claim that the DoJ is downplaying domestic terrorism I didn't claim that DoJ is downplaying domestic terrorism. What I stated is that they don't issue press releases as frequently, and don't highlight organizational ties in the press releases they do issue, for the actual specific arrests or specific investigations of homegrown Christian terrorists in the way they do for arrests or specific investigations of Islamic terrorists tied to international groups. This is actually in tension with the DoJ's portrayals of the overall risk from domestic, non-Islamic groups (I suggest a possible motive for this inconsistency in my early post, though that is pure speculation.)
- Eiriksmal 11y ago
  This is a very interesting topic. Where can I find these "actual statistics on who kills Americans in America" that describes terrorist motivations? Edit: Not sarcastic. Something like the FBI's list that someone else shared, of the group responsible for US terror attacks from 2002-2005.
DanBC 11y ago
Here's what the FBI said in 2002: https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-conf... > At the same time, the United States also faces significant challenges from domestic terrorists. In fact, between 1980 and 2000, the FBI recorded 335 incidents or suspected incidents of terrorism in this country. Of these, 247 were attributed to domestic terrorists, while 88 were determined to be international in nature. > Right-wing groups continue to represent a serious terrorist threat. Two of the seven planned acts of terrorism prevented in 1999 were potentially large-scale, high-casualty attacks being planned by organized right-wing extremist groups.

by crusso 11y ago

dragonwriter 11y ago

> What information sources do you follow that indicate that Christian extremism is even remotely as great a threat as Islamic extremism? Actual statistics on who kills Americans in America. > When I look at the FBI most wanted terrorists lists That tells you which individuals the FBI sees the most value to the policy objectives set by their political leadership to draw public attention to. It doesn't tell you anything about relative risk of classes of terrorists. At most, given complete trust of the judgement of the FBI and assumption of their policy objectives being aligned with risk to Americans and assumption that there are no factors other than risk weighing into what they draw public attention to, it gives you information on the relative risk attached to individual terrorists. But, even then, if there are relatively fewer Islamic groups posing danger to Americans, and each of those groups is more dependent on a narrow set of senior leaders for effectiveness, then members of Islamic groups could be dominate the 10 most wanted list by being the individuals responsible for the most risk, even while Christian groups are collectively responsible for greater risk. > Contrary to your claim that the DoJ is downplaying domestic terrorism I didn't claim that DoJ is downplaying domestic terrorism. What I stated is that they don't issue press releases as frequently, and don't highlight organizational ties in the press releases they do issue, for the actual specific arrests or specific investigations of homegrown Christian terrorists in the way they do for arrests or specific investigations of Islamic terrorists tied to international groups. This is actually in tension with the DoJ's portrayals of the overall risk from domestic, non-Islamic groups (I suggest a possible motive for this inconsistency in my early post, though that is pure speculation.)

Eiriksmal 11y ago
This is a very interesting topic. Where can I find these "actual statistics on who kills Americans in America" that describes terrorist motivations? Edit: Not sarcastic. Something like the FBI's list that someone else shared, of the group responsible for US terror attacks from 2002-2005.

DanBC 11y ago

Here's what the FBI said in 2002: https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states https://www.fbi.gov/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-conf... > At the same time, the United States also faces significant challenges from domestic terrorists. In fact, between 1980 and 2000, the FBI recorded 335 incidents or suspected incidents of terrorism in this country. Of these, 247 were attributed to domestic terrorists, while 88 were determined to be international in nature. > Right-wing groups continue to represent a serious terrorist threat. Two of the seven planned acts of terrorism prevented in 1999 were potentially large-scale, high-casualty attacks being planned by organized right-wing extremist groups.