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> If you are in an area impacted by a disaster Facebook will send you a push notification asking if you are OK. I guess that's great during an earthquake but c

> If you are in an area impacted by a disaster Facebook will send you a push notification asking if you are OK. I guess that's great during an earthquake but can be terrible when you're hiding during a terrorist act.

xxbondsxx 11y ago
If it's any comfort, most people have push notifications turned off for the main Facebook app (understandably since we send quite a few of notifications). However anecdotally some of the survivors of the attacks mentioned that they got phone calls from concerned friends / families while hiding in the Bataclan, which was understandably stressful.
- konstruktor 11y ago
  If the safety of your products depends on disabling features, you should stay out of anything remotely safety critical.
  - TeMPOraL 11y ago
    What the hell, this can be said about anything. As GP provides an example for, even an unexpected phone call can be unsafe.
    - konstruktor 11y ago
      In my opinion, "other things are just as bad" is as good an argument as "if you turn it off, it's not dangerous". I still think it's not smart to send push notifications in an active shooter situation for a feature that is made to give people who are not involved peace of mind. If you consider such risks, and not get defensive right away, you will find that solutions can be pretty simple, e.g. a banner inside the app, instead of a notification.
      - TeMPOraL 11y ago
        I think shooting was aready over before people over at Facebook even knew something is going on. I imagine they wouldn't even turn it on before the information hit mainstream news.
- FoeNyx 11y ago
  Maybe for this kind of events (when people need to hide) you should postpone the push until the situation become calmer? On the other side, the push notification can alert people yet unaware of the situation, and save their life. I guess we will have to wait until Facebook brilliant AI team can automagically figure when it's pertinent to push that crucial notification! What kind of context hints could be used? heartbeat rate? analyzing ambient sounds like screams, detonations, explosions, or silence? analyzing surrounding voices to detect emotions like anger, distress, pain or fear in smartphone owner voice or other people? extracting dangerous location from media streams, and correlate with geolocalized users' positions? using other geolocalized users' answers (safe/not safe)? I'm aware some proposition are not really realistic (yet) or somehow really creepy. -- Also, back to earthquakes, using context hints of lot of smartphones going from 'still' state to 'tilting' state, in a relatively localized region, could you detect earthquakes occurring quasi real-time? and push a warning notifications to your friends faster than the quake waves? « possible incoming quake in 5 seconds, brace yourself » ( à la https://xkcd.com/723/ https://xkcd.com/723/ )
twosheep 11y ago
Most of the trainings that I've gotten for active shooter-type events (gov't employee; they're frequent these days) advises you to silence your phone since the first thing that's gonna happen when the news shows up is everyone is gonna call you anyways.
- ihsw 11y ago
  On a darker note, first-responders to the Paris attack distinctly recalled people's phones still ringing in their pockets when they arrived.

xxbondsxx 11y ago

If it's any comfort, most people have push notifications turned off for the main Facebook app (understandably since we send quite a few of notifications). However anecdotally some of the survivors of the attacks mentioned that they got phone calls from concerned friends / families while hiding in the Bataclan, which was understandably stressful.

konstruktor 11y ago
If the safety of your products depends on disabling features, you should stay out of anything remotely safety critical.
- TeMPOraL 11y ago
  What the hell, this can be said about anything. As GP provides an example for, even an unexpected phone call can be unsafe.
  - konstruktor 11y ago
    In my opinion, "other things are just as bad" is as good an argument as "if you turn it off, it's not dangerous". I still think it's not smart to send push notifications in an active shooter situation for a feature that is made to give people who are not involved peace of mind. If you consider such risks, and not get defensive right away, you will find that solutions can be pretty simple, e.g. a banner inside the app, instead of a notification.
    - TeMPOraL 11y ago
      I think shooting was aready over before people over at Facebook even knew something is going on. I imagine they wouldn't even turn it on before the information hit mainstream news.
FoeNyx 11y ago
Maybe for this kind of events (when people need to hide) you should postpone the push until the situation become calmer? On the other side, the push notification can alert people yet unaware of the situation, and save their life. I guess we will have to wait until Facebook brilliant AI team can automagically figure when it's pertinent to push that crucial notification! What kind of context hints could be used? heartbeat rate? analyzing ambient sounds like screams, detonations, explosions, or silence? analyzing surrounding voices to detect emotions like anger, distress, pain or fear in smartphone owner voice or other people? extracting dangerous location from media streams, and correlate with geolocalized users' positions? using other geolocalized users' answers (safe/not safe)? I'm aware some proposition are not really realistic (yet) or somehow really creepy. -- Also, back to earthquakes, using context hints of lot of smartphones going from 'still' state to 'tilting' state, in a relatively localized region, could you detect earthquakes occurring quasi real-time? and push a warning notifications to your friends faster than the quake waves? « possible incoming quake in 5 seconds, brace yourself » ( à la https://xkcd.com/723/ https://xkcd.com/723/ )

twosheep 11y ago

Most of the trainings that I've gotten for active shooter-type events (gov't employee; they're frequent these days) advises you to silence your phone since the first thing that's gonna happen when the news shows up is everyone is gonna call you anyways.

ihsw 11y ago
On a darker note, first-responders to the Paris attack distinctly recalled people's phones still ringing in their pockets when they arrived.