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ISIS kidnapped 4 French journalists long before any foreign intervention by the French authorities in Iraq or Syria but were freed after 10 months held in capti

ISIS kidnapped 4 French journalists long before any foreign intervention by the French authorities in Iraq or Syria but were freed after 10 months held in captivity reinforcing my argument that them who started it not the other way around [0] [0] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/19/kidnapped-french-journalists-safe-turkey-syria-border http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/19/kidnapped-frenc...

drumdance 11y ago
The French retaliated to a kidnapping with a bombing. I'm not saying the kidnapping was legitimate, but it reinforces the point that ISIS does not do the really grisly stuff unless they are attacked.
- discreteevent 11y ago
  Did the Yazidis attack them? Do you know what they did to the Yazidis?
  - drumdance 11y ago
    ISIS wants to conquer Kurdistan, not least because most Kurds ar Sunni -- ISIS is especially vicious to Muslism who aren't Islamic enough. They have no hope in the near term of conquering France. I'm not arguing ISIS are good people. I'm arguing that, if you don't want to be on the receiving end of terrorist attacks from ISIS, the best way to do that is to stop bombing them. Otherwise you should assume that they will happen as a matter of routine.
    - somebehemoth 11y ago
      "I'm arguing that, if you don't want to be on the receiving end of terrorist attacks from ISIS, the best way to do that is to stop bombing them." Thus validating the terrorists' approach. They use fear as a means of control and, according to your argument, it is an effective approach. I don't know what the answer is, but I do not think that allowing marauders to wander around the world staking claim to peoples' land is acceptable. Much less when they commit so many atrocities along the way. If the choice is to: a) stop bombing and be hopeful that the terrorists will go away or b) try to stop the raping, murdering, and other atrocities via violence... I know where I stand.
      - drumdance 11y ago
        a) has worked very well for Spain. No attacks since they pulled out of Iraq in 2004. And as a bonus they didn't have to kill lots of civilians or put their soldiers at risk. How many American citizens and soldiers have died or been severely injured in the meantime? You may know where you stand, but dollars to donuts you don't know what your government is doing in your name. I'm not "blaming America first." I'm asking that we behave like adults and take responsibility for the consequences of our behavior.

drumdance 11y ago

The French retaliated to a kidnapping with a bombing. I'm not saying the kidnapping was legitimate, but it reinforces the point that ISIS does not do the really grisly stuff unless they are attacked.

discreteevent 11y ago
Did the Yazidis attack them? Do you know what they did to the Yazidis?
- drumdance 11y ago
  ISIS wants to conquer Kurdistan, not least because most Kurds ar Sunni -- ISIS is especially vicious to Muslism who aren't Islamic enough. They have no hope in the near term of conquering France. I'm not arguing ISIS are good people. I'm arguing that, if you don't want to be on the receiving end of terrorist attacks from ISIS, the best way to do that is to stop bombing them. Otherwise you should assume that they will happen as a matter of routine.
  - somebehemoth 11y ago
    "I'm arguing that, if you don't want to be on the receiving end of terrorist attacks from ISIS, the best way to do that is to stop bombing them." Thus validating the terrorists' approach. They use fear as a means of control and, according to your argument, it is an effective approach. I don't know what the answer is, but I do not think that allowing marauders to wander around the world staking claim to peoples' land is acceptable. Much less when they commit so many atrocities along the way. If the choice is to: a) stop bombing and be hopeful that the terrorists will go away or b) try to stop the raping, murdering, and other atrocities via violence... I know where I stand.
    - drumdance 11y ago
      a) has worked very well for Spain. No attacks since they pulled out of Iraq in 2004. And as a bonus they didn't have to kill lots of civilians or put their soldiers at risk. How many American citizens and soldiers have died or been severely injured in the meantime? You may know where you stand, but dollars to donuts you don't know what your government is doing in your name. I'm not "blaming America first." I'm asking that we behave like adults and take responsibility for the consequences of our behavior.