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Step 1: Develop app Step 2: Fail at monetizing app Step 3: Create app development studio Step 4: Empower others to fail at monetizing apps

anpk 11y ago
Step 5: Go back to a regular job
- 3stripe 11y ago
  Step 6: Write a Medium article about it
  - swagaholic 11y ago
    Step 7: Finance becomes the hot sector again
    - bekimdisha 11y ago
      Step8: Repeat
      - robjama 11y ago
        Step 9: Write a comment on HN about the Medium post that you wrote.
will_lam 11y ago
Why all the cynicism?
- kevindeasis 11y ago
  Mostly because it is the reality of the situation, even if it quite dim.
nostrademons 11y ago
To be fair, most of the money in mobile apps is in helping big companies put out apps to engage their customers and show they're not obsolete dinosaurs. Come to think of it, pretty much all of the money in startups comes either from making lucrative big companies obsolete or selling software to big companies to assuage their fear of becoming obsolete.
dang 11y ago
Please don't do this here. I understand the sport in extracting the most uncharitable interpretation of a thing and distilling it into the most concentrated snark that you can, but amusing as that can be, you harm the community by posting it here. Snark always gets many upvotes, perhaps because we enjoy the dopamine rush of briefly feeling superior to others. Such comments rise to the top, become emblematic, and pretty soon we're all in the habit of looking for clever ways to put others down instead of learning and asking questions together. This is an existential risk to HN, since if we lose the open-minded exploratory quality of the threads (never secure to begin with, and always under pressure from stronger forces), successive waves of thoughtful users will exit, putting the community into a fatal feedback loop.
- timrpeterson 11y ago
  I think sanitizing the community possibly puts it at even greater risk. Look at stackoverflow whose contributors are dwindling due to overmodding. There is learning in this comment. You are the one layering on the interpretation of the need to feel superior. That wasn't how I read it.
  - tomhoward 11y ago
    Encouraging civility and kindness is no risk to a community that is at its best when people are civil and kind. The campaign to promote civility and eradicate meanness has been waged publicly by Dang for over 18 months and more quietly by PG and other mods for long before that. The overall volume of contributions hasn't gone down and the volume of thoughtful and substantive contributions had gone up, and for me it feels like a more safe and welcoming place in which to post thoughtful comments. The point of the comment could have been made in a civil and thoughtful way if the commenter chose to do so, and when people do that, there is far more "learning" to be had and we all benefit.
  - dang 11y ago
    > You are the one layering on the interpretation That may be. I replaced "probably" with "perhaps". I don't think "sanitizing" is an accurate description of what we do or call for, though I get that it's a rhetorical way of saying not to take things too far. Overmodding is definitely not the goal—undermodding is. The dream is to get it asymptotically approaching zero. That requires a self-regulating community, which requires a self-sustaining culture. Most of what we do, when not posting "please stop" and whatnot, involves figuring out how to get there.
EvanPlaice 11y ago
Step 1: Doubt oneself Step 2: Do nothing Step 3: Justify personal failure by criticizing others Step 4: Feel better Not to feed into this too much. Being cynical adds nothing value to the conversation. If you're looking to earn 'internet points' by being sarcastic or making jokes at other people's expense, that's what Reddit is for.

anpk 11y ago

Step 5: Go back to a regular job

3stripe 11y ago
Step 6: Write a Medium article about it
- swagaholic 11y ago
  Step 7: Finance becomes the hot sector again
  - bekimdisha 11y ago
    Step8: Repeat
    - robjama 11y ago
      Step 9: Write a comment on HN about the Medium post that you wrote.

will_lam 11y ago

Why all the cynicism?

kevindeasis 11y ago
Mostly because it is the reality of the situation, even if it quite dim.

nostrademons 11y ago

To be fair, most of the money in mobile apps is in helping big companies put out apps to engage their customers and show they're not obsolete dinosaurs. Come to think of it, pretty much all of the money in startups comes either from making lucrative big companies obsolete or selling software to big companies to assuage their fear of becoming obsolete.

dang 11y ago

Please don't do this here. I understand the sport in extracting the most uncharitable interpretation of a thing and distilling it into the most concentrated snark that you can, but amusing as that can be, you harm the community by posting it here. Snark always gets many upvotes, perhaps because we enjoy the dopamine rush of briefly feeling superior to others. Such comments rise to the top, become emblematic, and pretty soon we're all in the habit of looking for clever ways to put others down instead of learning and asking questions together. This is an existential risk to HN, since if we lose the open-minded exploratory quality of the threads (never secure to begin with, and always under pressure from stronger forces), successive waves of thoughtful users will exit, putting the community into a fatal feedback loop.

timrpeterson 11y ago
I think sanitizing the community possibly puts it at even greater risk. Look at stackoverflow whose contributors are dwindling due to overmodding. There is learning in this comment. You are the one layering on the interpretation of the need to feel superior. That wasn't how I read it.
- tomhoward 11y ago
  Encouraging civility and kindness is no risk to a community that is at its best when people are civil and kind. The campaign to promote civility and eradicate meanness has been waged publicly by Dang for over 18 months and more quietly by PG and other mods for long before that. The overall volume of contributions hasn't gone down and the volume of thoughtful and substantive contributions had gone up, and for me it feels like a more safe and welcoming place in which to post thoughtful comments. The point of the comment could have been made in a civil and thoughtful way if the commenter chose to do so, and when people do that, there is far more "learning" to be had and we all benefit.
- dang 11y ago
  > You are the one layering on the interpretation That may be. I replaced "probably" with "perhaps". I don't think "sanitizing" is an accurate description of what we do or call for, though I get that it's a rhetorical way of saying not to take things too far. Overmodding is definitely not the goal—undermodding is. The dream is to get it asymptotically approaching zero. That requires a self-regulating community, which requires a self-sustaining culture. Most of what we do, when not posting "please stop" and whatnot, involves figuring out how to get there.

EvanPlaice 11y ago

Step 1: Doubt oneself Step 2: Do nothing Step 3: Justify personal failure by criticizing others Step 4: Feel better Not to feed into this too much. Being cynical adds nothing value to the conversation. If you're looking to earn 'internet points' by being sarcastic or making jokes at other people's expense, that's what Reddit is for.