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What's your point? That Islamic terrorism is compatible with open society because of a bunch of things were done to them over the past thousand years? Or is i

by crusso 11y ago

What's your point? That Islamic terrorism is compatible with open society because of a bunch of things were done to them over the past thousand years? Or is it that because Western society has had some bad actors/states, that we can never thereafter point to bad behaviors or systems of thought?

jacquesm 11y ago
I think his point is that we still have bad actors and states. We're just a lot better at PR and image management but to the dead that makes precious little difference.
coldtea 11y ago
>What's your point? That Islamic terrorism is compatible with open society because of a bunch of things were done to them over the past thousand years? The question in the thread wasn't whether "islamic terrorism" was compatible with open society, but whether islam itself is. And my point it, whether it is or not, that "open society" is not as "open" as it pretends to be either. If some family had done "a bunch of things" (of enslaving, torturing and murderous nature) to your family "over the past thousand years", would you see them as friends? Especially if they continued those things in one way or another up to today, while celebrating how "open" and "tolerant" they are, (as opposed to you, who hates them).
- neo2006 11y ago
  I'm muslim and I don't share your point on me being a victim. I think that the best thing we, muslim that want to live in peace, can do, to get over this terrorism problem and stop our child from joining those organisations, is stop spreading the feeling that we are victims of the western world and accept that part of what happen/is happening to us is our fault. We need to stand for our selves by having better leaders, work harder and manage our wealth efficiently. As long as corruption and greed are common practices in our countries and no one is standing to fight them (or at least very little) we deserve what is happening to us. Those people who join ISIS or al qaeda think they are the victims of the western world, but the reality is that they are the victims of them selves and could have made a difference if they fought for there rights in there countries instead of chasing a chimera and killing innocent people.

by crusso 11y ago

jacquesm 11y ago

I think his point is that we still have bad actors and states. We're just a lot better at PR and image management but to the dead that makes precious little difference.

coldtea 11y ago

>What's your point? That Islamic terrorism is compatible with open society because of a bunch of things were done to them over the past thousand years? The question in the thread wasn't whether "islamic terrorism" was compatible with open society, but whether islam itself is. And my point it, whether it is or not, that "open society" is not as "open" as it pretends to be either. If some family had done "a bunch of things" (of enslaving, torturing and murderous nature) to your family "over the past thousand years", would you see them as friends? Especially if they continued those things in one way or another up to today, while celebrating how "open" and "tolerant" they are, (as opposed to you, who hates them).

neo2006 11y ago
I'm muslim and I don't share your point on me being a victim. I think that the best thing we, muslim that want to live in peace, can do, to get over this terrorism problem and stop our child from joining those organisations, is stop spreading the feeling that we are victims of the western world and accept that part of what happen/is happening to us is our fault. We need to stand for our selves by having better leaders, work harder and manage our wealth efficiently. As long as corruption and greed are common practices in our countries and no one is standing to fight them (or at least very little) we deserve what is happening to us. Those people who join ISIS or al qaeda think they are the victims of the western world, but the reality is that they are the victims of them selves and could have made a difference if they fought for there rights in there countries instead of chasing a chimera and killing innocent people.