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Bootstrap gets 80% of the work done before you begin.....its getting the last 80% complete thats the tricky part ;) I back up what you say 100%. Bootstrap is n

by err4nt 11y ago

Bootstrap gets 80% of the work done before you begin.....its getting the last 80% complete thats the tricky part ;) I back up what you say 100%. Bootstrap is not acceptable for production code, its supposed to be a rapid prototyping tool. I have found whenever it is added to a project, the technical debt it bring that you have to keep fighting is never worth whatever the initial savings was. I build without it wherever possible and avoid a lot of problems and maintenance.

wil421 11y ago
Why isn't bootstrap acceptable for production? For smaller projects why shouldn't I be able to use it? If I'm building a 5-10 page website for a small business it's a prefect fit. I can customize the colors and use the image sliders and other features already given to me. Add what I need and I have something that's easily to remember at a later point. If I created a larger app why would I want to rewrite everything for prod. It makes it easier if multiple people are working on the UI because we are all working with bootstrap. Newer people are able to get up to speed on the project faster since it's a common framework.
- err4nt 11y ago
  Using Bootstrap for a small 5-page site is like taking a cruise ship for a canoe ride. It's not that hard to build really lightweight HTML and then just only write the CSS you need. I specialize in taking sites and making them responsive, and the first thing I do is go in there and get rid of all the classes extra tags everywhere clogging up the works. With tools like Bootstrap you end up using bloated, heavy HTML to get a few mediocre responsive breakpoints, but it's no comparison to a properly responsive page. Here's some button and input styles in a single-file HTML5 app: http://staticresource.com/encode http://staticresource.com/encode Here's a set of responsive content blocks where the breakpoints are measured based on the width of the block, not the browser: http://staticresource.com/block-styles.html http://staticresource.com/block-styles.html Or check out the CSS of http://elementqueries.com http://elementqueries.com to see how a simple, easy to read layout can be done with just a touch of CSS at the top of the page. None of these use Bootstrap, and if I had even so much as linked to them, I'd be working against the defaults they bring in. Here's what I use as my 'reset' that I bring in to every project, it's a much smaller set of opinions and leaves me more free to just build what I want: https://gist.github.com/tomhodgins/c4988b9d9878763ae861 https://gist.github.com/tomhodgins/c4988b9d9878763ae861
  - wil421 11y ago
    Thank you the links are very appreciated. I do feel like I am fighting against parts of bootstrap at times. Responsive websites are the reason I used bootstrap in the first place. It's very easy to build a responsive website with out of the box bootstrap.

by err4nt 11y ago

wil421 11y ago

Why isn't bootstrap acceptable for production? For smaller projects why shouldn't I be able to use it? If I'm building a 5-10 page website for a small business it's a prefect fit. I can customize the colors and use the image sliders and other features already given to me. Add what I need and I have something that's easily to remember at a later point. If I created a larger app why would I want to rewrite everything for prod. It makes it easier if multiple people are working on the UI because we are all working with bootstrap. Newer people are able to get up to speed on the project faster since it's a common framework.

err4nt 11y ago
Using Bootstrap for a small 5-page site is like taking a cruise ship for a canoe ride. It's not that hard to build really lightweight HTML and then just only write the CSS you need. I specialize in taking sites and making them responsive, and the first thing I do is go in there and get rid of all the classes extra tags everywhere clogging up the works. With tools like Bootstrap you end up using bloated, heavy HTML to get a few mediocre responsive breakpoints, but it's no comparison to a properly responsive page. Here's some button and input styles in a single-file HTML5 app: http://staticresource.com/encode http://staticresource.com/encode Here's a set of responsive content blocks where the breakpoints are measured based on the width of the block, not the browser: http://staticresource.com/block-styles.html http://staticresource.com/block-styles.html Or check out the CSS of http://elementqueries.com http://elementqueries.com to see how a simple, easy to read layout can be done with just a touch of CSS at the top of the page. None of these use Bootstrap, and if I had even so much as linked to them, I'd be working against the defaults they bring in. Here's what I use as my 'reset' that I bring in to every project, it's a much smaller set of opinions and leaves me more free to just build what I want: https://gist.github.com/tomhodgins/c4988b9d9878763ae861 https://gist.github.com/tomhodgins/c4988b9d9878763ae861
- wil421 11y ago
  Thank you the links are very appreciated. I do feel like I am fighting against parts of bootstrap at times. Responsive websites are the reason I used bootstrap in the first place. It's very easy to build a responsive website with out of the box bootstrap.