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Wasn't there that guy in Santa Barbara who shot a bunch of women because he hated them? The Waco seige? No one has a monopoly on violence for attempting social
by rtpg 11y ago
Wasn't there that guy in Santa Barbara who shot a bunch of women because he hated them? The Waco seige? No one has a monopoly on violence for attempting social change
Though here that's beside the point. The Paris attacks were not because France is a free country, but because France was bombing Daesh. This is more like the Lockerbie bombing than like some sort of "clash of civilizations" that so many are implying
- copperred 11y ago"The Paris attacks were...because France was bombing Daesh." What a disgusting rationalization of the indiscriminate killing of innocent people. "An online statement said eight militants armed with explosive belts and automatic weapons attacked carefully chosen targets in the "capital of adultery and vice," including a soccer stadium where France was playing Germany, and the Bataclan concert hall, where an American rock band was playing, and "hundreds of apostates were attending an adulterous party."" Oops, they were actually "carefully chosen targets". That's better. [1] http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/isis-statement-france-top-hit-list-capital-adultery-and-vice http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/isis-statement-france-to...
- rtpg 11y agoSorry, I don't mean to rationalise the killings of innocents. Of course it's disgusting. But the whole "Free country" rhetoric is just as much of a lie here as it was with 9/11. The fact that both Russia and France were recent targets of terrorism is no coincidence.
- gotchange 11y agoI hate the clash of civilizations narrative and identity politics as much as the next guy but Paris wasn't attacked because France attacked ISIS first. On the contrary and let me refresh your memory, ISIS attacked first and murdered all those hostages held in captivity in Syria or Iraq mercilessly. Even if they hadn't killed western hostages, they'd still have to be taken down as they pose a threat and constitute a major destabilizing force in the region and the world as a whole.
- drumdance 11y agoThis is just wrong. France has been bombing ISIS for over a year. I think ISIS is a horrible, horrible movement that should be destroyed. But their strategy has been very consistent: attack countries that attack them. They left Russia alone until Putin decided to bomb them. It was only a few weeks before they blew up a Russian airliner.
- gotchange 11y agoISIS kidnapped 4 French journalists long before any foreign intervention by the French authorities in Iraq or Syria but were freed after 10 months held in captivity reinforcing my argument that them who started it not the other way around [0] [0] http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/19/kidnapped-french-journalists-safe-turkey-syria-border http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/19/kidnapped-frenc...
- drumdance 11y agoThe French retaliated to a kidnapping with a bombing. I'm not saying the kidnapping was legitimate, but it reinforces the point that ISIS does not do the really grisly stuff unless they are attacked.
- discreteevent 11y agoDid the Yazidis attack them? Do you know what they did to the Yazidis?
- drumdance 11y agoISIS wants to conquer Kurdistan, not least because most Kurds ar Sunni -- ISIS is especially vicious to Muslism who aren't Islamic enough. They have no hope in the near term of conquering France. I'm not arguing ISIS are good people. I'm arguing that, if you don't want to be on the receiving end of terrorist attacks from ISIS, the best way to do that is to stop bombing them. Otherwise you should assume that they will happen as a matter of routine.