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How easy it is to change the policy adopted and executed for over 5 decades [0]. During this period both of the parties have sufficiently ruled Washington with
by kr4 11y ago
How easy it is to change the policy adopted and executed for over 5 decades [0]. During this period both of the parties have sufficiently ruled Washington with same policy.
Glenn Greenwald provides further documentation that the various Middle Eastern and North African wars were planned before 9/11 [1]
"General Wesley Clark … said the aim of this plot [to “destroy the governments in … Iraq, … Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran”] was this: “They wanted us to destabilize the Middle East, turn it upside down, make it under our control.” He then recounted a conversation he had had ten years earlier with Paul Wolfowitz — back in 1991 — in which the then-number-3-Pentagon-official, after criticizing Bush 41 for not toppling Saddam, told Clark: “But one thing we did learn [from the Persian Gulf War] is that we can use our military in the region – in the Middle East – and the Soviets won’t stop us. And we’ve got about 5 or 10 years to clean up those old Soviet regimes – Syria, Iran [sic], Iraq – before the next great superpower comes on to challenge us.” Clark said he was shocked by Wolfowitz’s desires because, as Clark put it: “the purpose of the military is to start wars and change governments? It’s not to deter conflicts?”
[I]n the aftermath of military-caused regime change in Iraq and Libya … with concerted regime change efforts now underway aimed at Syria and Iran, with active and escalating proxy fighting in Somalia, with a modest military deployment to South Sudan, and the active use of drones in six — count ‘em: six — different Muslim countries, it is worth asking whether the neocon dream as laid out by Clark is dead or is being actively pursued and fulfilled, albeit with means more subtle and multilateral than full-on military invasions (it’s worth remembering that neocons specialized in dressing up their wars in humanitarian packaging: Saddam’s rape rooms! Gassed his own people!). As Jonathan Schwarz … put it about the supposedly contentious national security factions:
As far as I can tell, there’s barely any difference in goals within the foreign policy establishment. They just disagree on the best methods to achieve the goals. My guess is that everyone agrees we have to continue defending the mideast from outside interference (I love that Hillary line), and the [Democrats] just think that best path is four overt wars and three covert actions, while the neocons want to jump straight to seven wars.
The neocon end as Clark reported them — regime change in those seven countries — seems as vibrant as ever. It’s just striking to listen to Clark describe those 7 countries in which the neocons plotted to have regime change back in 2001, and then compare that to what the U.S. Government did and continues to do since then with regard to those precise countries.
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0: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/57-years-ago-u-s-britain-approved-use-islamic-extremists-topple-syrian-government.html http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/57-years-ago-u-s-brit...
1: http://www.salon.com/2011/11/26/wes_clark_and_the_neocon_dream/singleton/ http://www.salon.com/2011/11/26/wes_clark_and_the_neocon_dre...
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2: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/11/neoconservatives-planned-regime-change-throughout-the-middle-east-and-northern-africa-20-years-ago.html http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/11/neoconservatives-plan...
from [2]:
"Found actual video clips of Clarke explaining the long-standing plans for regime change …
In the following clip, Clarke says
I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11. About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, “Sir, you’ve got to come in and talk to me a second.” I said, “Well, you’re too busy.” He said, “No, no.” He says, “We’ve made the decision we’re going to war with Iraq.” This was on or about the 20th of September.
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So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, “Are we still going to war with Iraq?” And he said, “Oh, it’s worse than that.” He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, “I just got this down from upstairs” — meaning the Secretary of Defense’s office — “today.” And he said, “This is a memo that describes how we’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran.”
And in this clip, Clarke says
It came back to me … a 1991 meeting I had with Paul Wolfowitz.
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In 1991, he was the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy – the number 3 position at the Pentagon. And I had gone to see him when I was a 1-Star General commanding the National Training Center.
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And I said, “Mr. Secretary, you must be pretty happy with the performance of the troops in Desert Storm.”
And he said: “Yeah, but not really, because the truth is we should have gotten rid of Saddam Hussein, and we didn’t … But one thing we did learn [from the Persian Gulf War] is that we can use our military in the region – in the Middle East – and the Soviets won’t stop us. And we’ve got about 5 or 10 years to clean up those old Soviet client regimes – Syria, Iran, Iraq – before the next great superpower comes on to challenge us.”
- saiya-jin 11y agoBush jr (may he burn in hell eternally for all the fallback of his reign) being super eager to find any excuse to attack Iraq was super-obvious to anybody outside US during those times. That's why France & Germany didn't join Iraq effort, it was just too ridiculous without any good reason, when another dictatorship just across the border was more than OK (saudis), and let's not forget most attackers including Osama were from there. UK joining them no matter what on the other hand showed how morally low the politicians at that time were (Blair if I recall correctly). About that time, US on international scale went from "good guys" to... well nothing that could be written here, let's say "necessary evil". It's still there and will remain for quite some time. I wonder, if all direct and indirect deaths and misery caused by US politics from 50s would be accounted, if Hitler & Stalin regimes would still be such badasses. But real numbers are probably unreachable. (uncomparable datasets, i know, just out of curiosity... deaths in millions become statistics as we know).
- jacquesm 11y ago> Bush jr The next installment may be on the way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeb_Bush https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeb_Bush
- tremon 11y agoI'm not convinced about the necessary part. They may have forced their own hand (knowingly or not), but no outside force made intervention in Iraq a necessity for the US -- neither the first, nor the second time around.