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This probably also explains why it's so hard to find a good editor. So many devs are totally unwilling to pay a decent amount for anything. Maybe the exception

by lemevi 11y ago

This probably also explains why it's so hard to find a good editor. So many devs are totally unwilling to pay a decent amount for anything. Maybe the exception being hosting. Outside of hosting a server and dns and an SSL cert, it's hard to get engineers making 6 figures to spend more than $50 on a tool they use every day of their working life. Intellij recently switched to a new plan that adds up to like $15 to $10 a month for all their awesome (but very specialized) IDEs and people are going nuts over how much that is. It's nothing. But devs want to pay for very little. So we get shitty tools. Like vim[1] or atom[2]. Thanks I guess. Seriously can I have a generic text editor that's as good at editing as IntelliJ is at Java? [1] http://geoff.greer.fm/vim/ http://geoff.greer.fm/vim/ [2] https://news.floobits.com/2015/10/14/developing-atom-plugins-so-much-potential-so-many-bugs/ https://news.floobits.com/2015/10/14/developing-atom-plugins...

douche 11y ago
ReSharper has been worth every penny that I've given them over the years for upgrades. Seriously, it amounts to one or two days' worth of salary for a software engineer. The break-even point is extremely low.
pyre 11y ago
> it's hard to get engineers making 6 figures to spend more than $50 on a tool they use every day of their working life. On the flip-side, why invest all of your time become accustomed (possibly married) to an ecosystem that is beholden to someone else? Just because you spend $100 on VisualStudio doesn't mean that MS will take your input to heart when some manager "on high" decides to change direction with the product.
- spyder 11y ago
  Depends on what are the alternatives: if there is an open alternative with the same features for free then sure use it, but if there is no alternative with the features you need then you have to invest your time/money to build that feature and very likely it's more time/money than to buy and learn an ecosystem.
  - pyre 11y ago
    If developers are currently using the OpenSource solutions, then they probably work for those people. Who are "you" to question what works for them and what features are a priority to them? Many developers pay for close-source editors and IDEs, and the companies that support/develop them aren't necessarily going under. Heck BBEdit is still around despite falling out of favour as the de facto MacOS editor years ago. Just within the Python ecosystem there are 2 or 3 IDEs that cater to Python developers despite the number of Python developers that prefer Vi(m) or Emacs. The idea that developers don't or won't pay for an editor or that the OpenSource/Free alternatives are the equivalent of developers coding in Notepad on Windows just for save a few bucks is a false premise.
paublyrne 11y ago
I disliked the IntelliJ move because I have a preference for owning over renting. Possibly because I grew up in a country with a preference for owning property and seeing rent as dead money, or because I grew up buying and collecting CDs and putting them into alphabetical order. In this case, I am happy to pay for RubyMine. And happy to pay a little more if I want to update to the latest version. But I don't like the idea of only being able to use it this month as long as I've paid the rent.
sangnoir 11y ago
> it's hard to get engineers making 6 figures to spend more than $50 on a tool they use every day of their working life I paid JetBrains $100, because their IDE is awesome, and worth every penny. $100 is probably worth more to me since I am third-worlder[1], I earn far less than 6 figures. >Intellij recently switched to a new plan that adds up to like $15 to $10 a month for all their awesome (but very specialized) IDEs and people are going nuts over how much that is No - it wasn't about the money for me; I was one of the very vocal critics about that[2]. The subscription was actually worked out cheaper per year! My complaint was that once you stopped paying subscriptions, your IDE would stop working (they have since backtracked). Previously, if your licence expired, you'd be left with a working IDE which you can no longer upgrade/get updates for, but working nonetheless. It also didn't help that I felt personally betrayed by the decision after recommending JB to my colleagues and coworkers for years. 1. Middle class third-worlder, but $100 is a larger percentage of my income vs. first-wolrd 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10171551 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10171551

by lemevi 11y ago

douche 11y ago

ReSharper has been worth every penny that I've given them over the years for upgrades. Seriously, it amounts to one or two days' worth of salary for a software engineer. The break-even point is extremely low.

pyre 11y ago

> it's hard to get engineers making 6 figures to spend more than $50 on a tool they use every day of their working life. On the flip-side, why invest all of your time become accustomed (possibly married) to an ecosystem that is beholden to someone else? Just because you spend $100 on VisualStudio doesn't mean that MS will take your input to heart when some manager "on high" decides to change direction with the product.

spyder 11y ago
Depends on what are the alternatives: if there is an open alternative with the same features for free then sure use it, but if there is no alternative with the features you need then you have to invest your time/money to build that feature and very likely it's more time/money than to buy and learn an ecosystem.
- pyre 11y ago
  If developers are currently using the OpenSource solutions, then they probably work for those people. Who are "you" to question what works for them and what features are a priority to them? Many developers pay for close-source editors and IDEs, and the companies that support/develop them aren't necessarily going under. Heck BBEdit is still around despite falling out of favour as the de facto MacOS editor years ago. Just within the Python ecosystem there are 2 or 3 IDEs that cater to Python developers despite the number of Python developers that prefer Vi(m) or Emacs. The idea that developers don't or won't pay for an editor or that the OpenSource/Free alternatives are the equivalent of developers coding in Notepad on Windows just for save a few bucks is a false premise.

paublyrne 11y ago

I disliked the IntelliJ move because I have a preference for owning over renting. Possibly because I grew up in a country with a preference for owning property and seeing rent as dead money, or because I grew up buying and collecting CDs and putting them into alphabetical order. In this case, I am happy to pay for RubyMine. And happy to pay a little more if I want to update to the latest version. But I don't like the idea of only being able to use it this month as long as I've paid the rent.

sangnoir 11y ago

> it's hard to get engineers making 6 figures to spend more than $50 on a tool they use every day of their working life I paid JetBrains $100, because their IDE is awesome, and worth every penny. $100 is probably worth more to me since I am third-worlder[1], I earn far less than 6 figures. >Intellij recently switched to a new plan that adds up to like $15 to $10 a month for all their awesome (but very specialized) IDEs and people are going nuts over how much that is No - it wasn't about the money for me; I was one of the very vocal critics about that[2]. The subscription was actually worked out cheaper per year! My complaint was that once you stopped paying subscriptions, your IDE would stop working (they have since backtracked). Previously, if your licence expired, you'd be left with a working IDE which you can no longer upgrade/get updates for, but working nonetheless. It also didn't help that I felt personally betrayed by the decision after recommending JB to my colleagues and coworkers for years. 1. Middle class third-worlder, but $100 is a larger percentage of my income vs. first-wolrd 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10171551 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10171551