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Ok... when exactly did millions of brave devoted their lives to defending privacy? There were all kinds of reasons for fighting (many of them including being dr

Ok... when exactly did millions of brave devoted their lives to defending privacy? There were all kinds of reasons for fighting (many of them including being drafted) but we never ever had a War For Privacy.

pdkl95 11y ago
Yes, we did. Justice Roberts in his opinion for Riley v California. Our cases have recognized that the Fourth Amendment was the founding generation's response to the reviled "general warrants" and "writs of assistance" of the colonial era, which allowed British officers to rummage through homes in an unrestrained search for evidence of criminal activity. Opposition to such searches was in fact on of the driving forces behind the Revolution itself. [...] Modern cell phones are not just another technological convenience. With all they contain and all they may reveal, they hold for many Americans "the privacies of life." The fact that technology now allows an individual to carry such information in his hand does not make the information any less worth of the protection for which the Founders fought.
- carterehsmith 11y ago
  So you are saying that we fought for independence because British were invading our privacy? They were opening our snailmail and were reading it and that's why we fought for independence. Right. I have never seen any credible historian claim that. Good luck with that line of reasoning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War
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  - pdkl95 11y ago
    Let me guess, you're a strict constructionist? This quibble about the specific word "privacy" is a useless distraction and a waste of time. If you aren't convinced, go research the various SCOTUS cases that recognized that the right to privacy is implicit in the constitution. I quoted a recent SCOTUS opinion already. Also, Article 1, Section 1 of the California Constitution: All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy. ^^^^^^^
  - cb18 11y ago
    So you are saying that we fought for independence because British were invading our privacy? Not only is he saying it, so is the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court, whom he quoted. Opposition to such searches was in fact on of the driving forces behind the Revolution itself. Did you even read the above paragraphs? Yes, there were obviously other factors as well.
ionised 11y ago
When people say 'privacy' what they actually mean is 'liberty'. You can't have liberty without the expectation of privacy. It just doesn't happen. Liberty is definitely something our ancestors (both yours as an American I'm assuming, and mine as a Brit) have fought and died for and we should absolutely resist any attempts by enemies both foreign and domestic (that includes our politicians) to take it away.

pdkl95 11y ago

Yes, we did. Justice Roberts in his opinion for Riley v California. Our cases have recognized that the Fourth Amendment was the founding generation's response to the reviled "general warrants" and "writs of assistance" of the colonial era, which allowed British officers to rummage through homes in an unrestrained search for evidence of criminal activity. Opposition to such searches was in fact on of the driving forces behind the Revolution itself. [...] Modern cell phones are not just another technological convenience. With all they contain and all they may reveal, they hold for many Americans "the privacies of life." The fact that technology now allows an individual to carry such information in his hand does not make the information any less worth of the protection for which the Founders fought.

carterehsmith 11y ago
So you are saying that we fought for independence because British were invading our privacy? They were opening our snailmail and were reading it and that's why we fought for independence. Right. I have never seen any credible historian claim that. Good luck with that line of reasoning. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War
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- pdkl95 11y ago
  Let me guess, you're a strict constructionist? This quibble about the specific word "privacy" is a useless distraction and a waste of time. If you aren't convinced, go research the various SCOTUS cases that recognized that the right to privacy is implicit in the constitution. I quoted a recent SCOTUS opinion already. Also, Article 1, Section 1 of the California Constitution: All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy. ^^^^^^^
- cb18 11y ago
  So you are saying that we fought for independence because British were invading our privacy? Not only is he saying it, so is the Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court, whom he quoted. Opposition to such searches was in fact on of the driving forces behind the Revolution itself. Did you even read the above paragraphs? Yes, there were obviously other factors as well.

ionised 11y ago

When people say 'privacy' what they actually mean is 'liberty'. You can't have liberty without the expectation of privacy. It just doesn't happen. Liberty is definitely something our ancestors (both yours as an American I'm assuming, and mine as a Brit) have fought and died for and we should absolutely resist any attempts by enemies both foreign and domestic (that includes our politicians) to take it away.