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> Where people are not economically well off, these will happen, people are terrorists for a reason and it wasn't because their life was great. That's false, t

by aikah 11y ago

> Where people are not economically well off, these will happen, people are terrorists for a reason and it wasn't because their life was great. That's false, there is absolutely no correlation between being poor and wanting to slaughter thousands of innocents. One simple example : Bin Laden who comes from a filthy rich background. He never lacked on something in his life , his family was ultra rich, yet he created and financed a terrorist organization. There is however an absolute causation between giving loads of money to folks in KSA who spread an hateful ideology like Wahhabism and terrorism. I'm absolutely sick about this b-llsh-t explanation that just paint the poor as potential terrorists just because they are poor. No. No. > Our strategy in Iran (and Cuba) is actually the best one we have going. It's funny you talk about Cuba because , it contradicts what you just said. There should have been cubans terrorists blowing themselves up in the streets of USA because of they've been forced into poverty thanks to US blockade for 60 years. In 60 years it never happened. And the reason why is that they don't subscribe to a specific ideology and culture.

drawkbox 11y ago
Possibly, but Bin Laden wasn't the one with the bomb strapped on. He was more akin to a king sending peasants to die. It is a fact though that lower economical areas have more crime and less opportunity. It would be harder to recruit the foot soldiers. It will always be the plebs that have the power to continue or end it, and one way they might choose to end it is because they have a comfortable life. Look at Brazil, the inequality there, on the lower end human life means nothing. In conditions like that crime, terror, desperation will make people do anything to survive. While I agree this ideology is different, most strong ideologies arise out of a lack of economic options. If suddenly your house got bombed, members of your family died, and you lost the ability to survive economically, you'd probably survive however you can even if that means blowing something up for money for your family. People aren't born suicide bombers or terrorists, the environment around them forms that. I am simply saying one known way to win hearts and minds is to help economically and give options to people susceptible to it. I am not saying poor people are terrorists, I am saying terrorism (or at least desperation crime) can grow in lower economical areas for recruiting more easily, and the only way to combat that is with better economics and opportunity. The same happens in inner cities with gangs, high unemployment etc. [1][2] Equally decisive in determining crime rates are the more invisible barriers to crime set up by social norms and social cohesion. Indeed, one of the most robust statistical patterns known is that crime rates tend to go up with rising economic inequality, which itself tends to go along with erosion of social trust. [1] http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2013-01-06/want-to-fight-crime-address-economic-inequality http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2013-01-06/want-to-fig... [2] http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/crimwage.htm http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/crimwage.htm
- aikah 11y ago
  > Look at Brazil, the inequality there, on the lower end human life means nothing. In conditions like that crime, terror, desperation will make people do anything to survive. For god's sake France is not Brazil ! In France one earns more money doing nothing living on welfare than the minimum wage in Portugal, and the cost of living is not that higher, so no, please stop. > Possibly, but Bin Laden wasn't the one with the bomb strapped on. Exactly, and the poor folk in middle wasn't the one blowing himself up in that theater. Someone who has never experienced true poverty did kill 100+ people. Someone born in France who got free healthcare, free college, and a ton of welfare paid by hardworking people blew himself up. So the poverty argument is B-LLSH-T .
  - rapha22_1 11y ago
    Also, poverty is not the only explanation in Brazil. Many middle class young adults become criminals, and many of the poor ones that do too end up expending on drugs, cars, etc. Edit: thought i do think poverty does help greatly on taking destructive life choices.
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- cholantesh 11y ago
  There are lots of ISIL foot soldiers that are/were pretty well off, for instance Jihadi John and Omar Hussein. Poverty can't be the only explanation here.
- aikah 11y ago
  So you edited you message afterwards : > Equally decisive in determining crime rates are the more invisible barriers to crime set up by social norms and social cohesion. Indeed, one of the most robust statistical patterns known is that crime rates tend to go up with rising economic inequality, which itself tends to go along with erosion of social trust. Well it doesn't explain terrorism at all and that's was the point your were trying to make. I'll tell you what explains terrorism. It's growing in environment like some suburbs in France where you hear, from kindergarten to high-school , that "white french are bad, white french girls are wh-res, and it's fair game to kill non muslims" , that's the explanation as to why these people did what they did on friday. There is absolutely no other explanation. How do I know that? because I grew up in this kind of place. You take the Roma, the Roma in France have it much much worse than any arab or black person ,victim a wide spread racism, living in slums where there is no electricity , no healthy water , among trash. Well now, give me an example of Roma terrorism in France.

by aikah 11y ago

drawkbox 11y ago

Possibly, but Bin Laden wasn't the one with the bomb strapped on. He was more akin to a king sending peasants to die. It is a fact though that lower economical areas have more crime and less opportunity. It would be harder to recruit the foot soldiers. It will always be the plebs that have the power to continue or end it, and one way they might choose to end it is because they have a comfortable life. Look at Brazil, the inequality there, on the lower end human life means nothing. In conditions like that crime, terror, desperation will make people do anything to survive. While I agree this ideology is different, most strong ideologies arise out of a lack of economic options. If suddenly your house got bombed, members of your family died, and you lost the ability to survive economically, you'd probably survive however you can even if that means blowing something up for money for your family. People aren't born suicide bombers or terrorists, the environment around them forms that. I am simply saying one known way to win hearts and minds is to help economically and give options to people susceptible to it. I am not saying poor people are terrorists, I am saying terrorism (or at least desperation crime) can grow in lower economical areas for recruiting more easily, and the only way to combat that is with better economics and opportunity. The same happens in inner cities with gangs, high unemployment etc. [1][2] Equally decisive in determining crime rates are the more invisible barriers to crime set up by social norms and social cohesion. Indeed, one of the most robust statistical patterns known is that crime rates tend to go up with rising economic inequality, which itself tends to go along with erosion of social trust. [1] http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2013-01-06/want-to-fight-crime-address-economic-inequality http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2013-01-06/want-to-fig... [2] http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/crimwage.htm http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/crimwage.htm

aikah 11y ago
> Look at Brazil, the inequality there, on the lower end human life means nothing. In conditions like that crime, terror, desperation will make people do anything to survive. For god's sake France is not Brazil ! In France one earns more money doing nothing living on welfare than the minimum wage in Portugal, and the cost of living is not that higher, so no, please stop. > Possibly, but Bin Laden wasn't the one with the bomb strapped on. Exactly, and the poor folk in middle wasn't the one blowing himself up in that theater. Someone who has never experienced true poverty did kill 100+ people. Someone born in France who got free healthcare, free college, and a ton of welfare paid by hardworking people blew himself up. So the poverty argument is B-LLSH-T .
- rapha22_1 11y ago
  Also, poverty is not the only explanation in Brazil. Many middle class young adults become criminals, and many of the poor ones that do too end up expending on drugs, cars, etc. Edit: thought i do think poverty does help greatly on taking destructive life choices.
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cholantesh 11y ago
There are lots of ISIL foot soldiers that are/were pretty well off, for instance Jihadi John and Omar Hussein. Poverty can't be the only explanation here.
aikah 11y ago
So you edited you message afterwards : > Equally decisive in determining crime rates are the more invisible barriers to crime set up by social norms and social cohesion. Indeed, one of the most robust statistical patterns known is that crime rates tend to go up with rising economic inequality, which itself tends to go along with erosion of social trust. Well it doesn't explain terrorism at all and that's was the point your were trying to make. I'll tell you what explains terrorism. It's growing in environment like some suburbs in France where you hear, from kindergarten to high-school , that "white french are bad, white french girls are wh-res, and it's fair game to kill non muslims" , that's the explanation as to why these people did what they did on friday. There is absolutely no other explanation. How do I know that? because I grew up in this kind of place. You take the Roma, the Roma in France have it much much worse than any arab or black person ,victim a wide spread racism, living in slums where there is no electricity , no healthy water , among trash. Well now, give me an example of Roma terrorism in France.