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"Stop disenfranchising the Muslims who live with us." or they will kill us? While a big believer in developing infrastructure, education, etc. I think we also

by cpt1138 11y ago

"Stop disenfranchising the Muslims who live with us." or they will kill us? While a big believer in developing infrastructure, education, etc. I think we also have to address the zealots in every "disenfranchised" group that might start killing us. Not sure how to do that.

harryf 11y ago
Sure but don't make that your excuse for continuing to disenfranchise Muslims who live with us.
mhurron 11y ago
> or they will kill us? Or you will need to expect repercussions that come from disenfranchising groups of people, and yes, that can include that group taking up arms against you. A group of people that are being marginalized over and over will produce very angry people. This is the fertile ground that zealotry needs to grow.
hackuser 11y ago
> or they will kill us (I don't think you mean it this way, but I'm going to appropriate your comment to make a point:) They? Us? Who is "us"? Hacker News readers? Americans? Do any believe in Islam? The foundation of hatred is the concepts 'they' and 'us'. Once the discussion is framed that way, the haters are empowered. That's how ISIS' worldview. Let's remember that 'us' is the vast majority who want peace, freedom, and justice, of every religion. 'They' are the perpetrators of hate and violence, everywhere. A fundemental tactic of hate groups like ISIS is to drive a wedge in our group, to alienate our Muslim brothers and sisters.
- cpt1138 11y ago
  You are correct, what I meant was "people." Or they will kill people. My point is that there are a lot of disenfranchised groups currently. Heck even I, a white male in the U.S, is disenfranchised in that the vast majority of my tax money (which I am happy to pay) goes to war and old people (http://whatwepayfor.com/ http://whatwepayfor.com/). I don't support war in any way so I am disenfranchised. Not all disenfranchised groups are killing people. Perhaps we should look at why certain ones do.
dragonwriter 11y ago
> I think we also have to address the zealots in every "disenfranchised" group that might start killing us. Not sure how to do that. Stop disenfranchising groups?

by cpt1138 11y ago

harryf 11y ago

Sure but don't make that your excuse for continuing to disenfranchise Muslims who live with us.

mhurron 11y ago

> or they will kill us? Or you will need to expect repercussions that come from disenfranchising groups of people, and yes, that can include that group taking up arms against you. A group of people that are being marginalized over and over will produce very angry people. This is the fertile ground that zealotry needs to grow.

hackuser 11y ago

> or they will kill us (I don't think you mean it this way, but I'm going to appropriate your comment to make a point:) They? Us? Who is "us"? Hacker News readers? Americans? Do any believe in Islam? The foundation of hatred is the concepts 'they' and 'us'. Once the discussion is framed that way, the haters are empowered. That's how ISIS' worldview. Let's remember that 'us' is the vast majority who want peace, freedom, and justice, of every religion. 'They' are the perpetrators of hate and violence, everywhere. A fundemental tactic of hate groups like ISIS is to drive a wedge in our group, to alienate our Muslim brothers and sisters.

cpt1138 11y ago
You are correct, what I meant was "people." Or they will kill people. My point is that there are a lot of disenfranchised groups currently. Heck even I, a white male in the U.S, is disenfranchised in that the vast majority of my tax money (which I am happy to pay) goes to war and old people (http://whatwepayfor.com/ http://whatwepayfor.com/). I don't support war in any way so I am disenfranchised. Not all disenfranchised groups are killing people. Perhaps we should look at why certain ones do.

dragonwriter 11y ago

> I think we also have to address the zealots in every "disenfranchised" group that might start killing us. Not sure how to do that. Stop disenfranchising groups?