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Was he being serious or just trying to score some sympathy of Jews and Christians? Nobody has ever found any evidence of Exodus and it isn't like people aren't

Was he being serious or just trying to score some sympathy of Jews and Christians? Nobody has ever found any evidence of Exodus and it isn't like people aren't trying. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus

lisper 11y ago
Carson is a Seventh-day Adventist, and hence a young-earth creationist. (Yes, I know. It's mind-boggling, isn't it?) And he's stood by the remark. So almost certainly he was being (and continues to be) serious.
- nightspirit 11y ago
  I'm not sure if this shows he is really serious or exactly the opposite. In Poland there is a guy, Janusz Palikot, who in 2005 owned a "Christian", anti-(many things including LGBT) newspaper but later sold it and founded a pro-LGBT, anti-religion political party.
- protomyth 11y ago
  All Seventh-day Adventist are NOT young-earth creationists.
  - lisper 11y ago
    That may be, but it is official church doctrine: http://www.adventist.org/en/beliefs/humanity/creation/ http://www.adventist.org/en/beliefs/humanity/creation/ "God has revealed in Scripture the authentic and historical account of His creative activity. He created the universe, and in a recent six-day creation the Lord made “the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them” and rested on the seventh day."
    - protomyth 11y ago
      Yes, they quote the bible. Yes, many Christian churches quote the same text and call it the same. No, it does not mean all Seventh Day Adventists are young earth creationists.
      - lisper 11y ago
        I didn't say all 7DAs were YECs. But the fact of the matter is that YEC is the church's official position. And Ben Carson is on record as believing in a six-day creation, and professing ignorance of the age of the earth. So we can quibble over the YE part, but not the C part. Ben Carson is without question a creationist.
        protomyth 11y ago
        "I didn't say all 7DAs were YECs" your exact phrase was: "Carson is a Seventh-day Adventist, and hence a young-earth creationist."
        lisper 11y ago
        Really? You want to hold me feet to the fire over my use of the word "hence"? Very well, let me be as excruciatingly precise as I can. Ben Carson self-identifies as Seventh-Day Adventist (7DA). Hence, if he follows the doctrine of the church he professes to believe in, he is a YEC. Now, it is possible for someone to self-identify as a 7DA and not be a YEC, just as it is possible for someone to self-identify as a Catholic and deny the authority of the pope, at least on some matters (e.g. all the self-identified Catholics who deny that the use of birth control is a mortal sin). But Ben Carson is clearly a creationist. He's said so on numerous occasions. Arguing over whether he is a YEC or some other flavor of creationist is really whittling at the margins. He's specifically proclaimed ignorance of the age of the earth. He uses YEC code words like "evolutionist" and "micro-evolution". Finally, it would be exceedingly peculiar for a 7DA to not be a YEC. The name of the sect derives from their belief in Biblical literalism, and specifically from their belief in creation as described in Genesis. A 7DA who is not a creationist would be like a Mormon who thinks Joseph Smith was a con man. Again, not impossible. People can self-identify as anything they want, and once you've abandoned science and reason anything is possible. But it would be really, really weird.
ars 11y ago
> Was he being serious or just trying to score some sympathy of Jews and Christians? He's just ignorant. Jews would not vote for someone who knows so little about their history. Christians may not be as familiar with the history. According to Jewish history Josef stored grain in the year 1532BCE, but the pyramids were mostly finished by 1759BCE, more than 200 years earlier. The pyramids having anything whatsoever to do with the Exodus is a myth created by Hollywood, it is not a Jewish belief at all.
- mcv 11y ago
  I don't think it's created by Hollywood. I don't think it'd be all that odd to assume they might be the legendary grain silos when they'd just been found and hadn't been opened up yet. It's just that after they've been opened and examined, and we know a lot more about them, it's silly to cling to something that's so obviously false.
  - ars 11y ago
    The grain might not have been Hollywood. I meant the idea that Jewish slaves built the pyramids. That idea comes from Hollywood, it is not a Jewish belief.
- nightspirit 11y ago
  > The pyramids having anything whatsoever to do with the Exodus is a myth created by Hollywood, it is not a Jewish belief at all. Any source? Google only returns articles about Carson, so it looks like it may be his idea. edit: It seems to be an old story, easily predating both Carson and Hollywood. http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/secret-chambers-grain-silos-and-the-long-long-history-of-pyramid-conspiracy-theories http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/secret-chambers-grain-s...
  - ars 11y ago
    Source for which? For grain in general? For Josef supposedly being the one to store it? Or for the pyramids having nothing to do with the Jews being slaves in Egypt?

lisper 11y ago

Carson is a Seventh-day Adventist, and hence a young-earth creationist. (Yes, I know. It's mind-boggling, isn't it?) And he's stood by the remark. So almost certainly he was being (and continues to be) serious.

nightspirit 11y ago
I'm not sure if this shows he is really serious or exactly the opposite. In Poland there is a guy, Janusz Palikot, who in 2005 owned a "Christian", anti-(many things including LGBT) newspaper but later sold it and founded a pro-LGBT, anti-religion political party.
protomyth 11y ago
All Seventh-day Adventist are NOT young-earth creationists.
- lisper 11y ago
  That may be, but it is official church doctrine: http://www.adventist.org/en/beliefs/humanity/creation/ http://www.adventist.org/en/beliefs/humanity/creation/ "God has revealed in Scripture the authentic and historical account of His creative activity. He created the universe, and in a recent six-day creation the Lord made “the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them” and rested on the seventh day."
  - protomyth 11y ago
    Yes, they quote the bible. Yes, many Christian churches quote the same text and call it the same. No, it does not mean all Seventh Day Adventists are young earth creationists.
    - lisper 11y ago
      I didn't say all 7DAs were YECs. But the fact of the matter is that YEC is the church's official position. And Ben Carson is on record as believing in a six-day creation, and professing ignorance of the age of the earth. So we can quibble over the YE part, but not the C part. Ben Carson is without question a creationist.
      - protomyth 11y ago
        "I didn't say all 7DAs were YECs" your exact phrase was: "Carson is a Seventh-day Adventist, and hence a young-earth creationist."
        lisper 11y ago
        Really? You want to hold me feet to the fire over my use of the word "hence"? Very well, let me be as excruciatingly precise as I can. Ben Carson self-identifies as Seventh-Day Adventist (7DA). Hence, if he follows the doctrine of the church he professes to believe in, he is a YEC. Now, it is possible for someone to self-identify as a 7DA and not be a YEC, just as it is possible for someone to self-identify as a Catholic and deny the authority of the pope, at least on some matters (e.g. all the self-identified Catholics who deny that the use of birth control is a mortal sin). But Ben Carson is clearly a creationist. He's said so on numerous occasions. Arguing over whether he is a YEC or some other flavor of creationist is really whittling at the margins. He's specifically proclaimed ignorance of the age of the earth. He uses YEC code words like "evolutionist" and "micro-evolution". Finally, it would be exceedingly peculiar for a 7DA to not be a YEC. The name of the sect derives from their belief in Biblical literalism, and specifically from their belief in creation as described in Genesis. A 7DA who is not a creationist would be like a Mormon who thinks Joseph Smith was a con man. Again, not impossible. People can self-identify as anything they want, and once you've abandoned science and reason anything is possible. But it would be really, really weird.

ars 11y ago

> Was he being serious or just trying to score some sympathy of Jews and Christians? He's just ignorant. Jews would not vote for someone who knows so little about their history. Christians may not be as familiar with the history. According to Jewish history Josef stored grain in the year 1532BCE, but the pyramids were mostly finished by 1759BCE, more than 200 years earlier. The pyramids having anything whatsoever to do with the Exodus is a myth created by Hollywood, it is not a Jewish belief at all.

mcv 11y ago
I don't think it's created by Hollywood. I don't think it'd be all that odd to assume they might be the legendary grain silos when they'd just been found and hadn't been opened up yet. It's just that after they've been opened and examined, and we know a lot more about them, it's silly to cling to something that's so obviously false.
- ars 11y ago
  The grain might not have been Hollywood. I meant the idea that Jewish slaves built the pyramids. That idea comes from Hollywood, it is not a Jewish belief.
nightspirit 11y ago
> The pyramids having anything whatsoever to do with the Exodus is a myth created by Hollywood, it is not a Jewish belief at all. Any source? Google only returns articles about Carson, so it looks like it may be his idea. edit: It seems to be an old story, easily predating both Carson and Hollywood. http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/secret-chambers-grain-silos-and-the-long-long-history-of-pyramid-conspiracy-theories http://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/secret-chambers-grain-s...
- ars 11y ago
  Source for which? For grain in general? For Josef supposedly being the one to store it? Or for the pyramids having nothing to do with the Jews being slaves in Egypt?