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Nonsense. If we didn't have greater security for air travel aircraft would rain from the skies. And the sheer devastation to global economies would have no im

Nonsense. If we didn't have greater security for air travel aircraft would rain from the skies. And the sheer devastation to global economies would have no imaginable measure. Is security perfect? Far from it. But it is far better than doing nothing. I think you might be blind to a whole layer of the infrastructure because you never have visibility into it. I do. I own a company that conducts business internationally. Passenger aircraft don't just carry passengers. Before the extensive security measures implemented progressively after 9-11 taking down a plane with cargo would have almost been child's play. Today, not so. I don't know how much you travel. If you do, be thankful there are people who did their best to ensure someone isn't shipping an incendiary device on the same plane you and your family happen to be on. The business of attempting to create equivalency between deaths due to smoking or heat disease and terrorism is simply laughable at best. There is no equivalence and nothing prevents anyone from addressing them as the separate and unrelated problems they are.

TeMPOraL 11y ago
> If we didn't have greater security for air travel aircraft would rain from the skies. Did something changed fundamentally about human condition after 9/11? Planes didn't generally get attacked before, and they didn't generally get attacked after. There were a few incidents on both sides of 9/11. I don't see any reason to attribute things going as they always have been to security theatre erected around the 9/11 events. > I think you might be blind to a whole layer of the infrastructure because you never have visibility into it. I might be. Please share some details then, I'm always eager to learn something new and reevaluate my opinions. > Today, not so. I don't know how much you travel. If you do, be thankful there are people who did their best to ensure someone isn't shipping an incendiary device on the same plane you and your family happen to be on. I do travel enough, mostly on business. I am very thankful to all people ensuring my safety in air and on the ground. But I do question a lot of the efforts that were introduced as a reaction to events of 9/11.
- rebootthesystem 11y ago
  Well, I'll just say there are at least two kinds of people in this world, those who tend to see things for what they are (not 100% of the time but often enough) and those we need reality to really hit them hard before they finally understand. I see a lot of people on HN, you and @gnaritas included, living in that second camp. Refusing to see reality for what it is and insisting the emperor has beautiful clothes. I imagine you and @gnaritas as people who would dismiss all the mounting evidence as the Nazi's prepared to kill millions of Jews, including openly stating they were going to perfect the techniques used by the Turks to kill a couple million Armenians during the first world war. Report after report came out of these regions for both Genocides. Images, telegraphs all all sorts of evidence of what was coming and what was happening. There were those who screamed bloody murder and saw the mounting evidence for what it was: A path to genocide. And, of course, there were those who said shit like "Oh, never mind the Armenians" or "Never mind the Jews", "more people die in car accidents every year, what they hell are you people crying about". And millions died. I am not going to continue going back and forth with people who refuse to see reality for what it is. We --the World-- are not headed for a good place. We could be headed for something truly horrific. Creating equivalence with car accidents and cancer and arguing from a position of insanely ridiculous minutiae in the face of attacks, threats videos, beheading, suicide bombers, mass killings and the terrorists themselves getting on the internet and social media to tell all of us EXACTLY what their intentions ares. Well, my friend, this is just insisting to be blind to a reality that is out there in plain sight for all to see. I fear people like you simply refuse to understand even after six million people perish in a Genocide. I would love to be able to interview some of the people who dismissed the mounting evidence for the first and second genocides of the 20th century. I wonder what the people who ignored the images and telegraphs thought of themselves years later as they realized what happened and how they refused to accept reality. So, that's it. I don't know where this is headed but it looks worst with ever turn. I hope world leaders take action and stop this snowball from hell from leading us in a direction none of us wants to even consider. I am not going to argue with you any more because we obviously don't see eye to eye. I truly hope you never get the evidence you need to convince you that you are being blind and you are looking at this the wrong way. And I say that sincerely because that day will not be a good day for humanity.

TeMPOraL 11y ago

> If we didn't have greater security for air travel aircraft would rain from the skies. Did something changed fundamentally about human condition after 9/11? Planes didn't generally get attacked before, and they didn't generally get attacked after. There were a few incidents on both sides of 9/11. I don't see any reason to attribute things going as they always have been to security theatre erected around the 9/11 events. > I think you might be blind to a whole layer of the infrastructure because you never have visibility into it. I might be. Please share some details then, I'm always eager to learn something new and reevaluate my opinions. > Today, not so. I don't know how much you travel. If you do, be thankful there are people who did their best to ensure someone isn't shipping an incendiary device on the same plane you and your family happen to be on. I do travel enough, mostly on business. I am very thankful to all people ensuring my safety in air and on the ground. But I do question a lot of the efforts that were introduced as a reaction to events of 9/11.

rebootthesystem 11y ago
Well, I'll just say there are at least two kinds of people in this world, those who tend to see things for what they are (not 100% of the time but often enough) and those we need reality to really hit them hard before they finally understand. I see a lot of people on HN, you and @gnaritas included, living in that second camp. Refusing to see reality for what it is and insisting the emperor has beautiful clothes. I imagine you and @gnaritas as people who would dismiss all the mounting evidence as the Nazi's prepared to kill millions of Jews, including openly stating they were going to perfect the techniques used by the Turks to kill a couple million Armenians during the first world war. Report after report came out of these regions for both Genocides. Images, telegraphs all all sorts of evidence of what was coming and what was happening. There were those who screamed bloody murder and saw the mounting evidence for what it was: A path to genocide. And, of course, there were those who said shit like "Oh, never mind the Armenians" or "Never mind the Jews", "more people die in car accidents every year, what they hell are you people crying about". And millions died. I am not going to continue going back and forth with people who refuse to see reality for what it is. We --the World-- are not headed for a good place. We could be headed for something truly horrific. Creating equivalence with car accidents and cancer and arguing from a position of insanely ridiculous minutiae in the face of attacks, threats videos, beheading, suicide bombers, mass killings and the terrorists themselves getting on the internet and social media to tell all of us EXACTLY what their intentions ares. Well, my friend, this is just insisting to be blind to a reality that is out there in plain sight for all to see. I fear people like you simply refuse to understand even after six million people perish in a Genocide. I would love to be able to interview some of the people who dismissed the mounting evidence for the first and second genocides of the 20th century. I wonder what the people who ignored the images and telegraphs thought of themselves years later as they realized what happened and how they refused to accept reality. So, that's it. I don't know where this is headed but it looks worst with ever turn. I hope world leaders take action and stop this snowball from hell from leading us in a direction none of us wants to even consider. I am not going to argue with you any more because we obviously don't see eye to eye. I truly hope you never get the evidence you need to convince you that you are being blind and you are looking at this the wrong way. And I say that sincerely because that day will not be a good day for humanity.