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> oblique dancing around That part was a joke and also to soften the point of the old claim that the US gave Israel plutonium for Israel's plutonium nuke bombs

by graycat 11y ago

> oblique dancing around That part was a joke and also to soften the point of the old claim that the US gave Israel plutonium for Israel's plutonium nuke bombs. For the joke, my post was to suggest that the OP was an "oblique dancing around" way for Israel to remind its enemies that, according to the old story, it got plutonium for bombs from a deliberate US accounting error from an effort in Pennsylvania. Since the old story and also, with my conjecture, the OP were "oblique dancing around", so was my post. I thought that nearly everyone on HN would have known the old story that the US gave Israel the plutonium they needed -- heck, that old story was even in the movie The Sum of All Fears. Looks like much of the HN community would have missed the point in the movie also. Apparently the movie makers also over estimated the historical knowledge of the HN audience. Got it now?

ars 11y ago
So what you are using an unbelievable number of words to say is that "The US gave the nuclear material to Israel on purpose and other countries better realize that and be warned"?
- graycat 11y ago
  No, I've so far used too few words for you to get my point: My point is a conjecture that the purpose of the OP was to remind enemies of Israel about the old story that the US gave Israel plutonium for nuke bombs and covered it up with an accounting error. Whether the old story is true or not, my conjecture about the purpose of the OP can still be true. Again, have had to know the old story, which I assumed nearly everyone at HN would, to understand my first post. Or the obscure part, sure, my conjecture was that the purpose of the OP was obscure, so, as a joke, my post was similarly obscure -- apparently too obscure. I just tried to make an interesting post. I hurt no one. But I've been attacked -- lost about 30 points here. But, maybe I've learned a lesson about the HN audience: Got to write for the highly sensitive HN audience or will be attacked. Okay. Likely the same reason politicians say so little. Once from a very socially astute person I heard the advice, "Never tell anyone anything.". Hmm ....
  - ars 11y ago
    > My point is a conjecture that the purpose of the OP was to remind enemies of Israel Wait, you think aburan28 posted this on Hacker News to remind enemies of Israel? What exactly makes you think enemies of Israel read hacker news? > Again, have had to know the old story, which I assumed nearly everyone at HN would, to understand my first post. You do realize that the entire point of this article is to tell people the story? Your post added exactly zero. > I just tried to make an interesting post. I hurt no one. But I've been attacked -- lost about 30 points here. You did not make an interesting post. You used a lot of words to say the same thing as the article, only in an impossible to understand way. > Got to write for the highly sensitive HN audience or will be attacked. You were not attacked. Your post just made so little sense people downvoted it as essentially the ravings of a madman. Your post STILL makes no sense. You are repeating the story, without adding anything except to claim aburan28 has some obscure reason for posting it. It's far more likely aburan28 simply found it interesting, and that's it. > Never tell anyone anything. Yah. You didn't. Next time you want to say something, just say it. Don't write "If you have to ask, you won't really understand it!" because quite frankly writing that makes you sound like a nutcase. It does not make you sound like "someone in the know" it makes you sound like a lunatic. No one has any desire whatsoever to try to decipher obscure writings, there are so very many things to read online, no one will spend more than a microsecond on your post if you deliberately make it hard to read. Your writings are not some important historical work that people will study. To quote Isaac Asimov: “I made up my mind long ago to follow one cardinal rule in all my writing—to be clear. I have given up all thought of writing poetically or symbolically or experimentally, or in any of the other modes that might (if I were good enough) get me a Pulitzer prize. I would write merely clearly and in this way establish a warm relationship between myself and my readers, and the professional critics—Well, they can do whatever they wish.”
    - maxerickson 11y ago
      I think it's more likely that OP is meant to mean Foreign Policy magazine.
      - graycat 11y ago

by graycat 11y ago

ars 11y ago

So what you are using an unbelievable number of words to say is that "The US gave the nuclear material to Israel on purpose and other countries better realize that and be warned"?

graycat 11y ago
No, I've so far used too few words for you to get my point: My point is a conjecture that the purpose of the OP was to remind enemies of Israel about the old story that the US gave Israel plutonium for nuke bombs and covered it up with an accounting error. Whether the old story is true or not, my conjecture about the purpose of the OP can still be true. Again, have had to know the old story, which I assumed nearly everyone at HN would, to understand my first post. Or the obscure part, sure, my conjecture was that the purpose of the OP was obscure, so, as a joke, my post was similarly obscure -- apparently too obscure. I just tried to make an interesting post. I hurt no one. But I've been attacked -- lost about 30 points here. But, maybe I've learned a lesson about the HN audience: Got to write for the highly sensitive HN audience or will be attacked. Okay. Likely the same reason politicians say so little. Once from a very socially astute person I heard the advice, "Never tell anyone anything.". Hmm ....
- ars 11y ago
  > My point is a conjecture that the purpose of the OP was to remind enemies of Israel Wait, you think aburan28 posted this on Hacker News to remind enemies of Israel? What exactly makes you think enemies of Israel read hacker news? > Again, have had to know the old story, which I assumed nearly everyone at HN would, to understand my first post. You do realize that the entire point of this article is to tell people the story? Your post added exactly zero. > I just tried to make an interesting post. I hurt no one. But I've been attacked -- lost about 30 points here. You did not make an interesting post. You used a lot of words to say the same thing as the article, only in an impossible to understand way. > Got to write for the highly sensitive HN audience or will be attacked. You were not attacked. Your post just made so little sense people downvoted it as essentially the ravings of a madman. Your post STILL makes no sense. You are repeating the story, without adding anything except to claim aburan28 has some obscure reason for posting it. It's far more likely aburan28 simply found it interesting, and that's it. > Never tell anyone anything. Yah. You didn't. Next time you want to say something, just say it. Don't write "If you have to ask, you won't really understand it!" because quite frankly writing that makes you sound like a nutcase. It does not make you sound like "someone in the know" it makes you sound like a lunatic. No one has any desire whatsoever to try to decipher obscure writings, there are so very many things to read online, no one will spend more than a microsecond on your post if you deliberately make it hard to read. Your writings are not some important historical work that people will study. To quote Isaac Asimov: “I made up my mind long ago to follow one cardinal rule in all my writing—to be clear. I have given up all thought of writing poetically or symbolically or experimentally, or in any of the other modes that might (if I were good enough) get me a Pulitzer prize. I would write merely clearly and in this way establish a warm relationship between myself and my readers, and the professional critics—Well, they can do whatever they wish.”
  - maxerickson 11y ago
    I think it's more likely that OP is meant to mean Foreign Policy magazine.
    - graycat 11y ago