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Of course users don't benefit. But the operators of the walled-gardens do! I can't even understand how federated XMPP had any support from the large players in

by skarap 11y ago

Of course users don't benefit. But the operators of the walled-gardens do! I can't even understand how federated XMPP had any support from the large players in the first place - it's absolutely against their economical interests. Let's be honest - we live in times when "federated" email communication would also be abandoned (with Facebook becoming the de facto platform for personal communication) if not the business users.

colanderman 11y ago
I wouldn't be surprised if we see embrace-extend-extinguish-style tactics from Google around business IMAP/SMTP within the next decade, if Google Apps for Business is able to take enough market share from Outlook.
- Too 11y ago
  Don't they already? Gmail was the embrace-extend phase. Now we are into extinguish. Try setting up your own email server, it will be marked as spam by most major webmail providers.
  - skarap 11y ago
    They still play good with the other few large email services. But with every year using google apps for business is becoming more and more obvious choice from economical POV. In fact I've myself recommended quite a few companies to "just use Google apps". I guess it just takes time too switch phases.
  - vbezhenar 11y ago
    I use my own server, and I can't say that everyone is marking me as a spam. With correct setup and a little bit of good history gmail works fine for me. I removed SPAM label from my mail in Gmail and asked few friends to do the same. Now my mail isn't marked as spam in gmail. And for yandex.ru and mail.ru it worked out of the box.
  - samuellb 11y ago
    I don't think Gmail would be able to block "own" email servers, because how would you tell them apart from company servers or web sites that send out confirmation e-mails or "forgot password" e-mails? They do however require your server to be properly set up, with a correct reverse DNS etc. And Hotmail/Live mail does the same.

by skarap 11y ago

colanderman 11y ago

I wouldn't be surprised if we see embrace-extend-extinguish-style tactics from Google around business IMAP/SMTP within the next decade, if Google Apps for Business is able to take enough market share from Outlook.

Too 11y ago
Don't they already? Gmail was the embrace-extend phase. Now we are into extinguish. Try setting up your own email server, it will be marked as spam by most major webmail providers.
- skarap 11y ago
  They still play good with the other few large email services. But with every year using google apps for business is becoming more and more obvious choice from economical POV. In fact I've myself recommended quite a few companies to "just use Google apps". I guess it just takes time too switch phases.
- vbezhenar 11y ago
  I use my own server, and I can't say that everyone is marking me as a spam. With correct setup and a little bit of good history gmail works fine for me. I removed SPAM label from my mail in Gmail and asked few friends to do the same. Now my mail isn't marked as spam in gmail. And for yandex.ru and mail.ru it worked out of the box.
- samuellb 11y ago
  I don't think Gmail would be able to block "own" email servers, because how would you tell them apart from company servers or web sites that send out confirmation e-mails or "forgot password" e-mails? They do however require your server to be properly set up, with a correct reverse DNS etc. And Hotmail/Live mail does the same.