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Some people are slow on the uptake and failing to understand the history and playing politics with me. Look, I'm not objecting to the supply chain and material

by graycat 11y ago

Some people are slow on the uptake and failing to understand the history and playing politics with me. Look, I'm not objecting to the supply chain and materials requirements planning. Fine with me. And my suggestion, I thought clear enough, was that the purpose of the article was likely just to remind some people with desires for big time fireworks about the old accounting lapses. I'm not the only one: Notice the crucial, relevant line in The Sum of All Fears -- this accounting has been known for a long time. In particular some of the recent threats are against not just US interests but against the US itself, indeed, where I live. So, sure I like the purpose of the article.

ars 11y ago
You are being downmodded not for your opinion but for using a ton of words to say nothing whatsoever.
- selimthegrim 11y ago
  in a verbose and roundabout way, he is stating that <insert Arab terrorists here> could pilfer this and use it for a non-state actor bomb
  - graycat 11y ago
    No. Not even close. Way, way off. Gads, no one here knows the story. Hint: What country in the Mideast is widely believed to have some nuke bombs and has had for many years? Hint: There's only one. Hint: Considering how long, say, Iran has been working on concentrating uranium, just how the heck did the first country in the Mideast get the critical materials? Hint: As in the movie The Sum of All Fears -- I thought that enough people has seen that movie to get it. Solution: Some years ago, some accounting errors in or near Pennsylvania -- that's the usual story. Understand now, or is this still too vague? Again, my guess at the purpose of the OP now is to point out again to other countries and any terrorists that they better not mess with the Mideast country that has long had nuke bombs. Now, let's be totally clear: At no point did I say that long ago Israel got some chunks of nuke bomb material from some accounting errors from some place in Pennsylvania and that those errors were the source of Israel having nuke bombs. I did not say that! But it has been said often enough before by others. Too many words to understand this time?
    - maxerickson 11y ago
      The many words don't make the post any clearer. I wonder what situation you think might come up where this oblique dancing around is better than just saying directly that the material could have ended up in Israel and that they would use it to make nuclear weapons. (To be clear, I understood your original post and voted it up from gray prior to you posting the second comment)
      - graycat 11y ago
        > oblique dancing around That part was a joke and also to soften the point of the old claim that the US gave Israel plutonium for Israel's plutonium nuke bombs. For the joke, my post was to suggest that the OP was an "oblique dancing around" way for Israel to remind its enemies that, according to the old story, it got plutonium for bombs from a deliberate US accounting error from an effort in Pennsylvania. Since the old story and also, with my conjecture, the OP were "oblique dancing around", so was my post. I thought that nearly everyone on HN would have known the old story that the US gave Israel the plutonium they needed -- heck, that old story was even in the movie The Sum of All Fears. Looks like much of the HN community would have missed the point in the movie also. Apparently the movie makers also over estimated the historical knowledge of the HN audience. Got it now?
        ars 11y ago
        So what you are using an unbelievable number of words to say is that "The US gave the nuclear material to Israel on purpose and other countries better realize that and be warned"?
        graycat 11y ago
        No, I've so far used too few words for you to get my point: My point is a conjecture that the purpose of the OP was to remind enemies of Israel about the old story that the US gave Israel plutonium for nuke bombs and covered it up with an accounting error. Whether the old story is true or not, my conjecture about the purpose of the OP can still be true. Again, have had to know the old story, which I assumed nearly everyone at HN would, to understand my first post. Or the obscure part, sure, my conjecture was that the purpose of the OP was obscure, so, as a joke, my post was similarly obscure -- apparently too obscure. I just tried to make an interesting post. I hurt no one. But I've been attacked -- lost about 30 points here. But, maybe I've learned a lesson about the HN audience: Got to write for the highly sensitive HN audience or will be attacked. Okay. Likely the same reason politicians say so little. Once from a very socially astute person I heard the advice, "Never tell anyone anything.". Hmm ....
- graycat 11y ago
  You need to already know the real story, at least as it is usually told. I assumed that nearly everyone did or at least would figure it out from what I wrote. Why, you need chapter and verse?
  - graycat 11y ago
    To be nice to the more important relevant parties, I didn't want to blurt out the old story. So, my post was only for people who knew the old story, but I did assume that nearly everyone on HN would. E.g., essentially the story was in the movie. My point was not the old story but a conjecture that the article that is the subject here was aimed at a reminder to the enemies of Israel. I didn't want to mention Israel.

by graycat 11y ago

ars 11y ago

You are being downmodded not for your opinion but for using a ton of words to say nothing whatsoever.

selimthegrim 11y ago
in a verbose and roundabout way, he is stating that <insert Arab terrorists here> could pilfer this and use it for a non-state actor bomb
- graycat 11y ago
  No. Not even close. Way, way off. Gads, no one here knows the story. Hint: What country in the Mideast is widely believed to have some nuke bombs and has had for many years? Hint: There's only one. Hint: Considering how long, say, Iran has been working on concentrating uranium, just how the heck did the first country in the Mideast get the critical materials? Hint: As in the movie The Sum of All Fears -- I thought that enough people has seen that movie to get it. Solution: Some years ago, some accounting errors in or near Pennsylvania -- that's the usual story. Understand now, or is this still too vague? Again, my guess at the purpose of the OP now is to point out again to other countries and any terrorists that they better not mess with the Mideast country that has long had nuke bombs. Now, let's be totally clear: At no point did I say that long ago Israel got some chunks of nuke bomb material from some accounting errors from some place in Pennsylvania and that those errors were the source of Israel having nuke bombs. I did not say that! But it has been said often enough before by others. Too many words to understand this time?
  - maxerickson 11y ago
    The many words don't make the post any clearer. I wonder what situation you think might come up where this oblique dancing around is better than just saying directly that the material could have ended up in Israel and that they would use it to make nuclear weapons. (To be clear, I understood your original post and voted it up from gray prior to you posting the second comment)
    - graycat 11y ago
      > oblique dancing around That part was a joke and also to soften the point of the old claim that the US gave Israel plutonium for Israel's plutonium nuke bombs. For the joke, my post was to suggest that the OP was an "oblique dancing around" way for Israel to remind its enemies that, according to the old story, it got plutonium for bombs from a deliberate US accounting error from an effort in Pennsylvania. Since the old story and also, with my conjecture, the OP were "oblique dancing around", so was my post. I thought that nearly everyone on HN would have known the old story that the US gave Israel the plutonium they needed -- heck, that old story was even in the movie The Sum of All Fears. Looks like much of the HN community would have missed the point in the movie also. Apparently the movie makers also over estimated the historical knowledge of the HN audience. Got it now?
      - ars 11y ago
        So what you are using an unbelievable number of words to say is that "The US gave the nuclear material to Israel on purpose and other countries better realize that and be warned"?
        graycat 11y ago
        No, I've so far used too few words for you to get my point: My point is a conjecture that the purpose of the OP was to remind enemies of Israel about the old story that the US gave Israel plutonium for nuke bombs and covered it up with an accounting error. Whether the old story is true or not, my conjecture about the purpose of the OP can still be true. Again, have had to know the old story, which I assumed nearly everyone at HN would, to understand my first post. Or the obscure part, sure, my conjecture was that the purpose of the OP was obscure, so, as a joke, my post was similarly obscure -- apparently too obscure. I just tried to make an interesting post. I hurt no one. But I've been attacked -- lost about 30 points here. But, maybe I've learned a lesson about the HN audience: Got to write for the highly sensitive HN audience or will be attacked. Okay. Likely the same reason politicians say so little. Once from a very socially astute person I heard the advice, "Never tell anyone anything.". Hmm ....
graycat 11y ago
You need to already know the real story, at least as it is usually told. I assumed that nearly everyone did or at least would figure it out from what I wrote. Why, you need chapter and verse?
- graycat 11y ago
  To be nice to the more important relevant parties, I didn't want to blurt out the old story. So, my post was only for people who knew the old story, but I did assume that nearly everyone on HN would. E.g., essentially the story was in the movie. My point was not the old story but a conjecture that the article that is the subject here was aimed at a reminder to the enemies of Israel. I didn't want to mention Israel.