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What the Kurds ever did to provoke them ? The Yezidi ? The Shi'a ? The Iranians ? Iraqi Christians ? Assyrians ? Alawites ? Druze ? The Lebanese ? Even if I can

by iofj 11y ago

What the Kurds ever did to provoke them ? The Yezidi ? The Shi'a ? The Iranians ? Iraqi Christians ? Assyrians ? Alawites ? Druze ? The Lebanese ? Even if I can sort-of understand that Israel, Turkey and Jordan did do a few attacks, it did not justify the response at all.

rdancer 11y ago
I'm just absolutely incredulous at the notion that we go into a war with a fierce enemy, one with a penchant for terrorism, and then act like this came out of a blue, and act as if this was unprovoked? Where is our bravery, our stoicism, our humility? What do you need to "justify" a military operation — surely the mere fact that NATO and ISIS are at war is enough?
- iofj 11y ago
  Doesn't seem to be reason enough for "us" to actively target civilians (no despite the news, we do not target civilians randomly, there's just a lot of mistakes - including stupid ones). Besides these are extremely empty words from this organisation : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1108548/Shocking-video-shows-extent-execution-Iraq-ISIS.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1108548/Shocking... Believing they have anything in mind other than conquest, rape and destruction is nothing but foolishness. They are people without a future that satisfies them who have been promised heaven. Nothing more, nothing less.
dragonwriter 11y ago
> What the Kurds ever did to provoke them ? Most recently, allied with the West in the same Western acts seen as provocations. And violent Kurdish separatist movements, using terrorism among their tactics, have operated in the region for quite some time, including the Iraqi Kurdish groups that allied with the West during and subsequent to the invasion and occupation of Iraq. > The Shi'a ? Most recently, much the same as the Kurds. But the history of Sunni/Shi'a violence, in both directions, is extremely long. > The Iranians ? The Iranians have sponsored a lot of the Shi'a side of the Sunni/Shi'a violence in the Middle East since the formation of the Islamic Republic of Iran. And once a people have been radicalized by attacks by any party enough that they are susceptible to propaganda that sees outsiders as the enemy, fine distinctions among different sets of outsiders often cease to be made. Understanding the root of the radicalization is not the same as arguing that the radicalization, and especially all of its targets, are rational or justified.

by iofj 11y ago

rdancer 11y ago

I'm just absolutely incredulous at the notion that we go into a war with a fierce enemy, one with a penchant for terrorism, and then act like this came out of a blue, and act as if this was unprovoked? Where is our bravery, our stoicism, our humility? What do you need to "justify" a military operation — surely the mere fact that NATO and ISIS are at war is enough?

iofj 11y ago
Doesn't seem to be reason enough for "us" to actively target civilians (no despite the news, we do not target civilians randomly, there's just a lot of mistakes - including stupid ones). Besides these are extremely empty words from this organisation : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1108548/Shocking-video-shows-extent-execution-Iraq-ISIS.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1108548/Shocking... Believing they have anything in mind other than conquest, rape and destruction is nothing but foolishness. They are people without a future that satisfies them who have been promised heaven. Nothing more, nothing less.

dragonwriter 11y ago

> What the Kurds ever did to provoke them ? Most recently, allied with the West in the same Western acts seen as provocations. And violent Kurdish separatist movements, using terrorism among their tactics, have operated in the region for quite some time, including the Iraqi Kurdish groups that allied with the West during and subsequent to the invasion and occupation of Iraq. > The Shi'a ? Most recently, much the same as the Kurds. But the history of Sunni/Shi'a violence, in both directions, is extremely long. > The Iranians ? The Iranians have sponsored a lot of the Shi'a side of the Sunni/Shi'a violence in the Middle East since the formation of the Islamic Republic of Iran. And once a people have been radicalized by attacks by any party enough that they are susceptible to propaganda that sees outsiders as the enemy, fine distinctions among different sets of outsiders often cease to be made. Understanding the root of the radicalization is not the same as arguing that the radicalization, and especially all of its targets, are rational or justified.