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Can we please drop this pretense ? One only has to look at the terrorists to know for sure that provoking them is not the issue, neither is poverty, or racism.

by iofj 11y ago

Can we please drop this pretense ? One only has to look at the terrorists to know for sure that provoking them is not the issue, neither is poverty, or racism. I'm also seriously wondering what the Kurds ever did to provoke them ? The Yezidi ? The Shi'a ? The Iranians ? Iraqi Christians ? Alawites ? Druze ? The Lebanese ? Even if I can sort-of understand that Israel, Turkey and Jordan did do a few attacks, it did not justify the response at all. I realize the problem : if you follow a normal way of thinking you'll invariable end up with that the problems are located in the ideology, and of course that indirectly attacks a lot of people. That however is not a valid line of reasoning, as it Sorry I am posting this because Dyab Abou Jahjah posted an article in the newspaper. He's a local muslim, a mouthpiece for muslims and he posted an article that stands out massively : it does NOT condemn the attack, but the "western response" to it [1], describing it as a consequence of the conflict "the west created". Half of all muslims I know on facebook are reposting that. I just want to say, if that's the attitude of even 10% of muslims, civil war is inevitable. And it sure looks like it's more like 50%. [1] http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20151114_01970768 http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20151114_01970768

alfapla 11y ago
Your considerations may be true but there is simply no denying that there is some serious hypocrisy going on at the core of our value system. We fume when muslim terrorists bomb Paris, but we claim the right to bomb pretty much any muslim country whose government is not laying in bed with the West. The fact that we make some half-assed efforts to avoid "innocent" victims is no proof of moral superiority. The next time NATO blows up some wedding party in Afghanistan, I'd like to see the flag of Afghanistan projected on the opera house of Sidney.
Natanael_L 11y ago
> One only has to look at the terrorists to know for sure that provoking them is not the issue Maybe you shouldn't look at their behaviours today, but at their origins. Most such groups appear because somebody felt excluded and powerless, or because some sociopath exploited a power vacuum. They grow because there's large populations of people who feel powerless and excluded. Prevent that from becoming a problem in the first place and the few remaining terrorists would be powerless, because they'd be too few and far between.
- iofj 11y ago
  > Maybe you shouldn't look at their behaviors today, but at their origins. Why ? Those reasons aren't going to change, and the past is a very, very bad reason to fuck up the future. It's also merely an excuse: it's not a reason. And frankly muslim violence happens because of their superiority complex. Those muslim ghettos in Europe, I drive through 2 of them daily. They are filled with people who will shout about their superiority, with -50 euros in their bank account and no job. When you see them shouting at other groups about who has banged whose mother recently and who has to die because of that at the station, it is not exactly a mystery why they don't have a job either ("problems with motivation" as it's generally put in HR documents).
  - Natanael_L 11y ago
    > Why ? Those reasons aren't going to change, and the past is a very, very bad reason to fuck up the future. It's also merely an excuse: it's not a reason. The why is incredibly simple - because that's how you stop more of them from appearing. Don't treat the symptom, treat the cause.

by iofj 11y ago

alfapla 11y ago

Your considerations may be true but there is simply no denying that there is some serious hypocrisy going on at the core of our value system. We fume when muslim terrorists bomb Paris, but we claim the right to bomb pretty much any muslim country whose government is not laying in bed with the West. The fact that we make some half-assed efforts to avoid "innocent" victims is no proof of moral superiority. The next time NATO blows up some wedding party in Afghanistan, I'd like to see the flag of Afghanistan projected on the opera house of Sidney.

Natanael_L 11y ago

> One only has to look at the terrorists to know for sure that provoking them is not the issue Maybe you shouldn't look at their behaviours today, but at their origins. Most such groups appear because somebody felt excluded and powerless, or because some sociopath exploited a power vacuum. They grow because there's large populations of people who feel powerless and excluded. Prevent that from becoming a problem in the first place and the few remaining terrorists would be powerless, because they'd be too few and far between.

iofj 11y ago
> Maybe you shouldn't look at their behaviors today, but at their origins. Why ? Those reasons aren't going to change, and the past is a very, very bad reason to fuck up the future. It's also merely an excuse: it's not a reason. And frankly muslim violence happens because of their superiority complex. Those muslim ghettos in Europe, I drive through 2 of them daily. They are filled with people who will shout about their superiority, with -50 euros in their bank account and no job. When you see them shouting at other groups about who has banged whose mother recently and who has to die because of that at the station, it is not exactly a mystery why they don't have a job either ("problems with motivation" as it's generally put in HR documents).
- Natanael_L 11y ago
  > Why ? Those reasons aren't going to change, and the past is a very, very bad reason to fuck up the future. It's also merely an excuse: it's not a reason. The why is incredibly simple - because that's how you stop more of them from appearing. Don't treat the symptom, treat the cause.