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Why is it about the Indian culture that breeds these sorts of businesses? This isn't the first time I've heard of this. Why do fellow Indians take advantage of

Why is it about the Indian culture that breeds these sorts of businesses? This isn't the first time I've heard of this. Why do fellow Indians take advantage of their own people for profit, instead of helping each other out? This isn't the first time I've seen this scheme, and in the times I have it has been all Indian people taking advantage of other native Indians.

steego 11y ago
Let me ask a few follow up questions: 1. What do you think it is? 2. Do you think this is unique to the Indian culture, or do you do you think it's shared by other cultures, including your own? 3. What do you think about cultures that breed the type of businesses that take advantage of other groups of people for profit? 4. Compared to Indian wages, could an Indian business owner could easily see themselves doing his fellow Indians a favor while making a profit? Here's my point. Look before you leap before you turn this into a cultural or racist conversation, because it's a much bigger issue than that and it deserves to be looked at from a larger perspective. My personal opinion is we need to overhaul to H1-B system to eliminate any leverage an H1-B employer has over their employee. If we want to eliminate the exploitation of immigrants, it's critical they share our freedoms to switch jobs. If we don't grant immigrants that freedom, we're just inviting an immigrant culture where immigrants will consistently earn less which will have the effect of suppressing wages overall. UPDATED: Formatting and grammar.
- iamleppert 11y ago
  I have no idea what the answers to your questions are. I'm simply stating what I have observed in my own experiences. I've never seen anyone exploit the H1B system for such personal gain except Indian people, and more often than not they are looking to their own people for their sources of exploitation. I'm just wondering why it isn't more common. Why don't we have Chinese or other asian cultures doing this? What is the source?
  - petilon 11y ago
    People exploiting other people happens in all cultures. In this particular case it is H1B related, and it so happens that India is a good source of inexpensive English-speaking labor. This is because India is a former British colony, unlike China and other asian countries.
  - steego 11y ago
    You might actually be right that specifically exploiting the H1B system is statistically an Indian phenomenon, but the way you ask it makes it a huge distraction when talking about the larger issue. However, the way you asked it made it sound like you were suggesting Indians are the only ones exploiting their own people. I'd argue most cultures exploit their own in different ways. Personally, I don't think that's an important question. I think the bigger question is: How can we fix the laws and regulations so our government doesn't inadvertently create an incentive for employers to set up IT shops consisting of cheap immigrant labor tied to sponsoring employers? Can we solve that problem while encouraging the best and the brightest people to work here, earn good salaries, pay taxes and start businesses?
steego 11y ago
I wanted to add one more point: Our immigration system seems like it's written to benefit people who benefit from cheap immigrant labor or immigration lawyers who charge good money the help immigrants navigate an artificially complex immigration system. Both of these groups actively lobby our government to keep the status quo. I also wouldn't be surprised if they hired public relations firms to make sure the discussion about immigration is never productive. It's not hard to to chum up up the waters with ethnic and race baiting to get both sides riled up. It's classic divide and conquer. Let's not feed it.
wodenokoto 11y ago
They are poor, mostly speak the language and have a way above average computer literacy (apparently because IT is one of the only unregulated markets, or something.) So, there are plenty of people looking for opportunities, even a low payed job in the us is a huge pay increase compared to India. Unlike most Chinese, the Indians actually do speak English and many have credentials in the fields that these visa are optimized for. So given these factors, why wouldn't they do this? If you had to give up 3 months pay for a job that's 10 times your current pay, with higher prestige, wouldn't you take it? And if there was a market where such pay increases where plausible for Americans, but guarded by bureaucracy, don't you think American firms would start looking for opportunities to sell positions in that market?

steego 11y ago

Let me ask a few follow up questions: 1. What do you think it is? 2. Do you think this is unique to the Indian culture, or do you do you think it's shared by other cultures, including your own? 3. What do you think about cultures that breed the type of businesses that take advantage of other groups of people for profit? 4. Compared to Indian wages, could an Indian business owner could easily see themselves doing his fellow Indians a favor while making a profit? Here's my point. Look before you leap before you turn this into a cultural or racist conversation, because it's a much bigger issue than that and it deserves to be looked at from a larger perspective. My personal opinion is we need to overhaul to H1-B system to eliminate any leverage an H1-B employer has over their employee. If we want to eliminate the exploitation of immigrants, it's critical they share our freedoms to switch jobs. If we don't grant immigrants that freedom, we're just inviting an immigrant culture where immigrants will consistently earn less which will have the effect of suppressing wages overall. UPDATED: Formatting and grammar.

iamleppert 11y ago
I have no idea what the answers to your questions are. I'm simply stating what I have observed in my own experiences. I've never seen anyone exploit the H1B system for such personal gain except Indian people, and more often than not they are looking to their own people for their sources of exploitation. I'm just wondering why it isn't more common. Why don't we have Chinese or other asian cultures doing this? What is the source?
- petilon 11y ago
  People exploiting other people happens in all cultures. In this particular case it is H1B related, and it so happens that India is a good source of inexpensive English-speaking labor. This is because India is a former British colony, unlike China and other asian countries.
- steego 11y ago
  You might actually be right that specifically exploiting the H1B system is statistically an Indian phenomenon, but the way you ask it makes it a huge distraction when talking about the larger issue. However, the way you asked it made it sound like you were suggesting Indians are the only ones exploiting their own people. I'd argue most cultures exploit their own in different ways. Personally, I don't think that's an important question. I think the bigger question is: How can we fix the laws and regulations so our government doesn't inadvertently create an incentive for employers to set up IT shops consisting of cheap immigrant labor tied to sponsoring employers? Can we solve that problem while encouraging the best and the brightest people to work here, earn good salaries, pay taxes and start businesses?

steego 11y ago

I wanted to add one more point: Our immigration system seems like it's written to benefit people who benefit from cheap immigrant labor or immigration lawyers who charge good money the help immigrants navigate an artificially complex immigration system. Both of these groups actively lobby our government to keep the status quo. I also wouldn't be surprised if they hired public relations firms to make sure the discussion about immigration is never productive. It's not hard to to chum up up the waters with ethnic and race baiting to get both sides riled up. It's classic divide and conquer. Let's not feed it.

wodenokoto 11y ago

They are poor, mostly speak the language and have a way above average computer literacy (apparently because IT is one of the only unregulated markets, or something.) So, there are plenty of people looking for opportunities, even a low payed job in the us is a huge pay increase compared to India. Unlike most Chinese, the Indians actually do speak English and many have credentials in the fields that these visa are optimized for. So given these factors, why wouldn't they do this? If you had to give up 3 months pay for a job that's 10 times your current pay, with higher prestige, wouldn't you take it? And if there was a market where such pay increases where plausible for Americans, but guarded by bureaucracy, don't you think American firms would start looking for opportunities to sell positions in that market?