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JQuery moved from Google Groups to Zoho Forum

41 points by scorpion032 17y ago

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- RiderOfGiraffes 17y ago
  Instead of just downvoting this, click on "link" and flag it - then it can get deleted, and the spamming scum won't get the benefit of having it on HN: Or click here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1057062 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1057062
moe 17y ago
I applaud this move. Google groups is a royal PITA and it's great to see large lists to migrate away from it. Google should be ashamed of this product.
- progooglegroups 17y ago
  Google has improved Google Groups; it's now integrated into Google for Domains. Groups now work like email accounts with shared permissions and mailing list tools with the old Google Usenet web interface. As of last month: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/join-this-group-google-groups-joins.html http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/join-this-group-googl... (not affiliated with Google, but wanted to set the record straight)
  - mhartl 17y ago
    From the link: "Today, we're happy to announce the launch of Google Groups to Google Apps Premier and Education Edition users". What does this mean for non-premier, non-edu-edition users?
    - jeresig 17y ago
      For the jQuery Google Groups we didn't see much improvement. There was a slight reduction I the amount of spam but we're still getting spoofed, which really hurts. I can't wait to be off groups and on to the new forum fulltime.
      - mhartl 17y ago
        Thanks for the info. I'm working on a Ruby on Rails tutorial book (http://www.railstutorial.org/ http://www.railstutorial.org/), and some readers have started agitating for a forum. Having used Google Groups for my previous book, I was really reluctant to go down that hellish road again. I took a cursory look at Zoho, but didn't drill down very far. Knowing that jQuery is blazing a trail there makes me much likelier to give it a try myself.
antirez 17y ago
I had similar problems with the Redis google group but I must admin that the fix was as simple as turning on the moderate-on-first-post feature. A few kind guys from a different timezone are helping in moderating the list so even messages posted at night by new users will get posted in a decent amount of time. That said, indeed, Google Groups has some spam problem indeed, but it appears to be workable using this trick.
- jeresig 17y ago
  That wasn't enough for us. Most of the moderators/administrators are being spoofed and having spam sent as them. http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead/ http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead/
  - davidw 17y ago
    I get that from time to time on the Hecl google group, but so far it's not too bad. I wonder what prevents them from fixing it.
  - antirez 17y ago
    Yep probably being the JQuery group an order of magnitude bigger and older it's a totally different matter, and I guess this means that even the Redis group at some time may need to switch to something else. EDIT: I just received the first of such spoofed spam messages. So indeed this is going to be useless :(
    - ThinkWriteMute 17y ago
      http://librelist.com/ http://librelist.com/ Use it, love it.
  - solutionyogi 17y ago
    John, I am really curious as to why you did not choose StackOverflow. StackOverflow is extremely well suited for programming related questions.
bjelkeman-again 17y ago
There were quite a few complaints in the forum about Zoho Forum (although it seems a lot better than using Google Groups IMHO). What would you use for forums for a technical discussion about an open source platform, if you didn't use Google Groups or Zoho Forum?
- jeresig 17y ago
  Thankfully most of the complaints are already resolved or are in the process of being resolved. A BIG reason why we ended up choosing Zoho discussions was their willingness to work with the team and accomodate our concerns. They even did all the hard work of importing all the old google groups posts and the old jqueryhelp.com forum. So yeah, it's a bit quirky at the moment but I fully expect the issues to get ironed out either before launch or in the next couple weeks.
- petewarden 17y ago
  I'm a big fan of Vanilla forums: completely open-source, they were in Techstars last year along with me, and overall it's the nicest system I've used. The only drawback is that it's focused on web use rather than email, though there is some mail functionality. http://vanillaforums.org/ http://vanillaforums.org/
  - antirez 17y ago
    Vanilla is great, but really not what you want for a tech forum IMHO, because it's very web-based indeed, and encourages use of HTML and images, a thing that I like a lot for random forums but not for tech ones.
sridharvembu 17y ago
At Zoho, we are thrilled to have jQuery hosted on Zoho Discussions. We use jQuery extensively, so it is particularly sweet for our developers. We plan to offer forums free for all open source projects. We have been strong users of forums software internally for a while. In fact, our company culture is strongly shaped by our use of community tools, and in return that has shaped our product roadmap. As the experience in our 1000+ person company shows, collaboration within a business can learn a lot from collaboration that happens in open source communities.
- ThinkWriteMute 17y ago
  Just checked it out...Mmmm, clicky. Very mouse intensive to navigate. Also very stuffy on 1024x600 (Netbook).
- whatusername 17y ago
  Zoho is a 1000+ company? Wow. I thought you were prob around the 200-300 level.
- scorpion032 17y ago
  If I may ask, what server technologies do you people use at Zoho? The fact each and every page loads only the relevant section is imo, a great feature and a feature that using django templates, I can achieve fairly easily.

41 points by scorpion032 17y ago

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RiderOfGiraffes 17y ago
Instead of just downvoting this, click on "link" and flag it - then it can get deleted, and the spamming scum won't get the benefit of having it on HN: Or click here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1057062 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1057062

moe 17y ago

I applaud this move. Google groups is a royal PITA and it's great to see large lists to migrate away from it. Google should be ashamed of this product.

progooglegroups 17y ago
Google has improved Google Groups; it's now integrated into Google for Domains. Groups now work like email accounts with shared permissions and mailing list tools with the old Google Usenet web interface. As of last month: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/join-this-group-google-groups-joins.html http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/join-this-group-googl... (not affiliated with Google, but wanted to set the record straight)
- mhartl 17y ago
  From the link: "Today, we're happy to announce the launch of Google Groups to Google Apps Premier and Education Edition users". What does this mean for non-premier, non-edu-edition users?
  - jeresig 17y ago
    For the jQuery Google Groups we didn't see much improvement. There was a slight reduction I the amount of spam but we're still getting spoofed, which really hurts. I can't wait to be off groups and on to the new forum fulltime.
    - mhartl 17y ago
      Thanks for the info. I'm working on a Ruby on Rails tutorial book (http://www.railstutorial.org/ http://www.railstutorial.org/), and some readers have started agitating for a forum. Having used Google Groups for my previous book, I was really reluctant to go down that hellish road again. I took a cursory look at Zoho, but didn't drill down very far. Knowing that jQuery is blazing a trail there makes me much likelier to give it a try myself.

antirez 17y ago

I had similar problems with the Redis google group but I must admin that the fix was as simple as turning on the moderate-on-first-post feature. A few kind guys from a different timezone are helping in moderating the list so even messages posted at night by new users will get posted in a decent amount of time. That said, indeed, Google Groups has some spam problem indeed, but it appears to be workable using this trick.

jeresig 17y ago
That wasn't enough for us. Most of the moderators/administrators are being spoofed and having spam sent as them. http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead/ http://ejohn.org/blog/google-groups-is-dead/
- davidw 17y ago
  I get that from time to time on the Hecl google group, but so far it's not too bad. I wonder what prevents them from fixing it.
- antirez 17y ago
  Yep probably being the JQuery group an order of magnitude bigger and older it's a totally different matter, and I guess this means that even the Redis group at some time may need to switch to something else. EDIT: I just received the first of such spoofed spam messages. So indeed this is going to be useless :(
  - ThinkWriteMute 17y ago
    http://librelist.com/ http://librelist.com/ Use it, love it.
- solutionyogi 17y ago
  John, I am really curious as to why you did not choose StackOverflow. StackOverflow is extremely well suited for programming related questions.

bjelkeman-again 17y ago

There were quite a few complaints in the forum about Zoho Forum (although it seems a lot better than using Google Groups IMHO). What would you use for forums for a technical discussion about an open source platform, if you didn't use Google Groups or Zoho Forum?

jeresig 17y ago
Thankfully most of the complaints are already resolved or are in the process of being resolved. A BIG reason why we ended up choosing Zoho discussions was their willingness to work with the team and accomodate our concerns. They even did all the hard work of importing all the old google groups posts and the old jqueryhelp.com forum. So yeah, it's a bit quirky at the moment but I fully expect the issues to get ironed out either before launch or in the next couple weeks.
petewarden 17y ago
I'm a big fan of Vanilla forums: completely open-source, they were in Techstars last year along with me, and overall it's the nicest system I've used. The only drawback is that it's focused on web use rather than email, though there is some mail functionality. http://vanillaforums.org/ http://vanillaforums.org/
- antirez 17y ago
  Vanilla is great, but really not what you want for a tech forum IMHO, because it's very web-based indeed, and encourages use of HTML and images, a thing that I like a lot for random forums but not for tech ones.

sridharvembu 17y ago

At Zoho, we are thrilled to have jQuery hosted on Zoho Discussions. We use jQuery extensively, so it is particularly sweet for our developers. We plan to offer forums free for all open source projects. We have been strong users of forums software internally for a while. In fact, our company culture is strongly shaped by our use of community tools, and in return that has shaped our product roadmap. As the experience in our 1000+ person company shows, collaboration within a business can learn a lot from collaboration that happens in open source communities.

ThinkWriteMute 17y ago
Just checked it out...Mmmm, clicky. Very mouse intensive to navigate. Also very stuffy on 1024x600 (Netbook).
whatusername 17y ago
Zoho is a 1000+ company? Wow. I thought you were prob around the 200-300 level.
scorpion032 17y ago
If I may ask, what server technologies do you people use at Zoho? The fact each and every page loads only the relevant section is imo, a great feature and a feature that using django templates, I can achieve fairly easily.