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Hello Barbie Security Concerns

31 points by apo 11y ago

danlindley 11y ago
There seems to be some not yet explored or understood implications on the effects this could have on the psychology of a child when, not only can all their confidences be recorded and listened to by a parent and stored for an infinite period of time, but also the added impact that the constant shaping of a childs thoughts can have- thoughts that the child does not believe are being shared with by anyone but their 'friend'. A parent, in theory, could constantly allude to things the child has spoken to the doll about, or try to shape their thoughts in a certain way based on everything they say during the developmental stages the article alludes to. Even with good intentions, the impact this kind of result could have is unknown. There is also the added nightmare that comes with private companies having this information available in a way which allows them to correlate the data with individuals- and possibly with the child- in the future. “...we may on occasion hear or review transcripts of conversations that we can associate with a particular account...” Comments like this don't exactly instill confidence. Personally, I would never consider for a moment that this would be a good idea to give to any child, and would actively discourage people who would consider it. It seems ripe for abuse and unknown outcomes, with the main victim being the child who only wanted to play with their toy.
soylentcola 11y ago
Reminds me of Neal Stephenson's "The Diamond Age: Or, A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer". Between all of the more typical cyberpunk, nanotech adventure stuff, there's quite a bit about how the "smart" toy (in this case, the Primer) influences development of the individuals using them. There's also a bit about the difference between users who were connected to a specific person doing the voice aspect and the users who got random staff or even automated "personalities".
rhema 11y ago
The last thing I need for my 5 year old girl is a Barbie asking her if she feels pretty and filling her with consumerist ideals. I understand the power of data for analysis and influence and refuse to lend her impressionable mind to their interests.
gavingmiller 11y ago
Moving the obvious Privacy & Security implications aside, the idea of accessing all of my child's conversations with their doll is disturbing. For parents using this "feature", it normalizes the environment of surveillance which has broad reaching implications for society as a whole: "I listen to my child's conversations therefore the gov't should be able to listen to terrorists". The research cited re: "role playing helps kids cope with traumatic events is independent of a responding doll/toy", is powerful and parents are best served by creating an environment where a doll/toy is a safe place for confidences vs another vector for helicoptering your children.
jbob2000 11y ago
But while parents are fully informed of the doll’s recording features—and can even log in to access all of the data Barbie collects about their child and post that data to Twitter or Facebook for laughs—children themselves are unaware that everything they say to the doll is being listened to. Ok so that's messed up for obvious reasons, but the worst part is, is that parents won't be learning about their child through play and communication (you know, human things), they're learning about them through some shitty $80 toy. This is it ladies and gents, the "internet of things"; a cheap toy vying for the spot of parent.
- fuzzywalrus 11y ago
  I agree: The inner-cynic in me sees the insidious side to this, that childhood follies may be be even archived and data-mined for all eternity. I digress, the thing that really jumped out at me: "according to a 2010 paper by Elena Smirnova, director of the Center of Play and Toys at Moscow State University, dolls that resemble humans are essential for the kind of role-playing that kids need to do to work through the events of their lives" I imagine this being lessened if the toy points parameters on the imagination. I know I played with action figures and placed them in pretty fantastical situations but it seems the cheapened by an electronic interaction governor. Perhaps it may enhance it but I'd wager its the former and not the later.
HellNoBarbie 11y ago
Any parent dumb enough to put one of these things in their home and sell out their children to "the cloud" or whatever buzzword they've chosen for this particular corporate spying device, should have their children taken away from them. As for the security concerns, nahhh... really? I'm shocked that a fucking internet-connected doll that analyzes and manipulates/programs children for marketing purposes could possibly have security concerns.
crpatino 11y ago
You know, in days like this I wonder if the hordes of Orcs ravaging the Middle Earth were really evil... or just wanting to make an honest living for them and their families while waiting for their stock options on World Domination Inc. to vest. And Sauron must have been a heck of a CEO too.
- roel_v 11y ago
  Do you know about the book that retells LoTR from the eyes of an Orc soldier? ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearer )
  - crpatino 11y ago
    Interesting, thanks!

31 points by apo 11y ago

There seems to be some not yet explored or understood implications on the effects this could have on the psychology of a child when, not only can all their confidences be recorded and listened to by a parent and stored for an infinite period of time, but also the added impact that the constant shaping of a childs thoughts can have- thoughts that the child does not believe are being shared with by anyone but their 'friend'. A parent, in theory, could constantly allude to things the child has spoken to the doll about, or try to shape their thoughts in a certain way based on everything they say during the developmental stages the article alludes to. Even with good intentions, the impact this kind of result could have is unknown. There is also the added nightmare that comes with private companies having this information available in a way which allows them to correlate the data with individuals- and possibly with the child- in the future. “...we may on occasion hear or review transcripts of conversations that we can associate with a particular account...” Comments like this don't exactly instill confidence. Personally, I would never consider for a moment that this would be a good idea to give to any child, and would actively discourage people who would consider it. It seems ripe for abuse and unknown outcomes, with the main victim being the child who only wanted to play with their toy.

soylentcola 11y ago

Reminds me of Neal Stephenson's "The Diamond Age: Or, A Young Lady's Illustrated Primer". Between all of the more typical cyberpunk, nanotech adventure stuff, there's quite a bit about how the "smart" toy (in this case, the Primer) influences development of the individuals using them. There's also a bit about the difference between users who were connected to a specific person doing the voice aspect and the users who got random staff or even automated "personalities".

rhema 11y ago

The last thing I need for my 5 year old girl is a Barbie asking her if she feels pretty and filling her with consumerist ideals. I understand the power of data for analysis and influence and refuse to lend her impressionable mind to their interests.

gavingmiller 11y ago

Moving the obvious Privacy & Security implications aside, the idea of accessing all of my child's conversations with their doll is disturbing. For parents using this "feature", it normalizes the environment of surveillance which has broad reaching implications for society as a whole: "I listen to my child's conversations therefore the gov't should be able to listen to terrorists". The research cited re: "role playing helps kids cope with traumatic events is independent of a responding doll/toy", is powerful and parents are best served by creating an environment where a doll/toy is a safe place for confidences vs another vector for helicoptering your children.

jbob2000 11y ago

But while parents are fully informed of the doll’s recording features—and can even log in to access all of the data Barbie collects about their child and post that data to Twitter or Facebook for laughs—children themselves are unaware that everything they say to the doll is being listened to. Ok so that's messed up for obvious reasons, but the worst part is, is that parents won't be learning about their child through play and communication (you know, human things), they're learning about them through some shitty $80 toy. This is it ladies and gents, the "internet of things"; a cheap toy vying for the spot of parent.

fuzzywalrus 11y ago
I agree: The inner-cynic in me sees the insidious side to this, that childhood follies may be be even archived and data-mined for all eternity. I digress, the thing that really jumped out at me: "according to a 2010 paper by Elena Smirnova, director of the Center of Play and Toys at Moscow State University, dolls that resemble humans are essential for the kind of role-playing that kids need to do to work through the events of their lives" I imagine this being lessened if the toy points parameters on the imagination. I know I played with action figures and placed them in pretty fantastical situations but it seems the cheapened by an electronic interaction governor. Perhaps it may enhance it but I'd wager its the former and not the later.

HellNoBarbie 11y ago

Any parent dumb enough to put one of these things in their home and sell out their children to "the cloud" or whatever buzzword they've chosen for this particular corporate spying device, should have their children taken away from them. As for the security concerns, nahhh... really? I'm shocked that a fucking internet-connected doll that analyzes and manipulates/programs children for marketing purposes could possibly have security concerns.

crpatino 11y ago

You know, in days like this I wonder if the hordes of Orcs ravaging the Middle Earth were really evil... or just wanting to make an honest living for them and their families while waiting for their stock options on World Domination Inc. to vest. And Sauron must have been a heck of a CEO too.

roel_v 11y ago
Do you know about the book that retells LoTR from the eyes of an Orc soldier? ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Ringbearer )
- crpatino 11y ago
  Interesting, thanks!