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But quantum coherence would allow the energy to test every possible pathway simultaneously before traveling via the quickest route. Energy does not posse

But quantum coherence would allow the energy to test every possible pathway simultaneously before traveling via the quickest route. Energy does not possess agency. A photon does not behave as Goldilocks anymore than rain drops do. If there's anything engaging in "decision making" if we must call it that, it's the protein. In the weird world of quantum physics, a system that is coherent can exist in many different states simultaneously, an effect known as superposition. Also silly. The system does not exist in multiple states simultaneously. We just simply lack the ability to know or measure the true state, so we invent a hypothetical state to explain this on paper, and then proclaim victory for ourselves.

justifier 11y ago
why do you think its 'silly'? can you show that, or explain how, a system 'does not exist in multiple states simultaneously'? this video of lightning(o) can act as an example of a 'system' searching a tree structure in multiple states simultaneously (o) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kI1d7DMbco https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kI1d7DMbco
- wellyWellyWell 11y ago
  Can you show or explain how it does? Welcome to the world of belief systems and preferences. The lightening is not "searching" anything. Inequalities within the system are resolving to destinations and expending themselves. That energy is discharged into many endpoints merely indicates that the amount of energy on one side of the inequality can overflow many receptacles on the receiving end, before overflowing all the way to the ground state offered by the earth. Is this really so hard to comprehend? In a non-vacuum filled with charged moisture, why should it surprise anyone that mid-air electrical arcing should take curious paths? Why must the lightening be anthropomorphized, such that it "thinks" and then "chooses" the "best" route to the ground? If the static charge had been less intense, and satisfied an equilibrium before even reaching in the ground, would it still have "chosen" anything?
  - justifier 11y ago
    forgive me, i was unaware this was a semantic argument i thought your issue was with coherence 'resolving' multiple routes simultaneously, specifically the simultaneous aspect by using the word 'search' i was anything but suggesting that we should anthropomophise lightning, but i'd argue the article failed to do the same for light i created an opportunity for you to lash out by using a vague term to simplify a description and i apologise to posterity for that but you're derailing any substantial discussion on the science with a strawman if you read the study the words: 'think','choose', and 'search'; are completely vacant from the paper.. you're projecting
  - justifier 11y ago
    If the static charge had been less intense, and satisfied an equilibrium before even reaching in the ground.. fun aside, this is potentially exhibited in the video if you watch the video one of the routes the original bolt takes loops back in on itself, right at the top of the frame then it seems a second bolt follows that same loop, there is a momentary irradiance if you watch the lower branches, some that had faded irradiate as well possibly implying the original bolt may have lacked sufficient energy to reach the earth, but the second was able to piggy back on the original's expended effort or it all could just be artifacts of the camera and its sensors just such a cool video
jblow 11y ago
I suggest you educate yourself about Bell's Inequality.
- justifier 11y ago
  i feel your comment is unnecessarily dismissive toward a healthy skepticism if you can be the arbiter of said education then i'd suggest you educate wellyWellyWell, wWW, about Bell's Inequality and its innate response to wWW's comment if i were to guess why you brought up Bell i'd guess it was because you read wWW's comment as suggesting classical mechanics can explain superposition with a robust enough measurement, but that Bell shows that classical mechanics are are too 'silly' to explain quantum mechanics? i find that science as a verb often is the act of discovering previous understandings were inadequate to describe phenomena, yet pedantry is more often used to squelch skepticism stead stoke the flame of investigation
- wellyWellyWell 11y ago
  Yes, yes, it's very cute to couch a belief in imaginary worm holes through dimension X behind bland jargon like variable scoping. And yes, just last month, incontrovertible evidence that with the knowledge of a particle's spin at site A, I can instantaneously infer another particle's spin at site B and always be correct. So magical. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v526/n7575/full/nature15759.html http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v526/n7575/full/nature1... But not because the particle landing at site B had already possessed a spin we could not measure at the time of emission. No! The spin was all things to all people when emitted, and would remain as such until after we so courteously ask site A's particle to reveal its spin! Bell says that the spin instantaneously traveled through a worm hole, across space and time, whispering in the ear of the site B particle, so that it could poof! Change it's mind! Bell says no unknowable secrets allowed. Bell says everyone can have everything. Bell says it's not because of something we can't determine. Bell says it's because of a special message transmitted in a way no one can intercept. Not even him! Bell says we must have our love notes dictated to us after they are sent, and only then may true love be known! Until then, the notes are written in all languages, as both hate and love, war and peace! Bell says Bob won't love Alice until Alice loves Bob! That Bob's note re-writes itself before his love can be unrequited because Bob refuses to get dumped!

justifier 11y ago

why do you think its 'silly'? can you show that, or explain how, a system 'does not exist in multiple states simultaneously'? this video of lightning(o) can act as an example of a 'system' searching a tree structure in multiple states simultaneously (o) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kI1d7DMbco https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kI1d7DMbco

wellyWellyWell 11y ago
Can you show or explain how it does? Welcome to the world of belief systems and preferences. The lightening is not "searching" anything. Inequalities within the system are resolving to destinations and expending themselves. That energy is discharged into many endpoints merely indicates that the amount of energy on one side of the inequality can overflow many receptacles on the receiving end, before overflowing all the way to the ground state offered by the earth. Is this really so hard to comprehend? In a non-vacuum filled with charged moisture, why should it surprise anyone that mid-air electrical arcing should take curious paths? Why must the lightening be anthropomorphized, such that it "thinks" and then "chooses" the "best" route to the ground? If the static charge had been less intense, and satisfied an equilibrium before even reaching in the ground, would it still have "chosen" anything?
- justifier 11y ago
  forgive me, i was unaware this was a semantic argument i thought your issue was with coherence 'resolving' multiple routes simultaneously, specifically the simultaneous aspect by using the word 'search' i was anything but suggesting that we should anthropomophise lightning, but i'd argue the article failed to do the same for light i created an opportunity for you to lash out by using a vague term to simplify a description and i apologise to posterity for that but you're derailing any substantial discussion on the science with a strawman if you read the study the words: 'think','choose', and 'search'; are completely vacant from the paper.. you're projecting
- justifier 11y ago
  If the static charge had been less intense, and satisfied an equilibrium before even reaching in the ground.. fun aside, this is potentially exhibited in the video if you watch the video one of the routes the original bolt takes loops back in on itself, right at the top of the frame then it seems a second bolt follows that same loop, there is a momentary irradiance if you watch the lower branches, some that had faded irradiate as well possibly implying the original bolt may have lacked sufficient energy to reach the earth, but the second was able to piggy back on the original's expended effort or it all could just be artifacts of the camera and its sensors just such a cool video

jblow 11y ago

I suggest you educate yourself about Bell's Inequality.

justifier 11y ago
i feel your comment is unnecessarily dismissive toward a healthy skepticism if you can be the arbiter of said education then i'd suggest you educate wellyWellyWell, wWW, about Bell's Inequality and its innate response to wWW's comment if i were to guess why you brought up Bell i'd guess it was because you read wWW's comment as suggesting classical mechanics can explain superposition with a robust enough measurement, but that Bell shows that classical mechanics are are too 'silly' to explain quantum mechanics? i find that science as a verb often is the act of discovering previous understandings were inadequate to describe phenomena, yet pedantry is more often used to squelch skepticism stead stoke the flame of investigation
wellyWellyWell 11y ago
Yes, yes, it's very cute to couch a belief in imaginary worm holes through dimension X behind bland jargon like variable scoping. And yes, just last month, incontrovertible evidence that with the knowledge of a particle's spin at site A, I can instantaneously infer another particle's spin at site B and always be correct. So magical. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v526/n7575/full/nature15759.html http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v526/n7575/full/nature1... But not because the particle landing at site B had already possessed a spin we could not measure at the time of emission. No! The spin was all things to all people when emitted, and would remain as such until after we so courteously ask site A's particle to reveal its spin! Bell says that the spin instantaneously traveled through a worm hole, across space and time, whispering in the ear of the site B particle, so that it could poof! Change it's mind! Bell says no unknowable secrets allowed. Bell says everyone can have everything. Bell says it's not because of something we can't determine. Bell says it's because of a special message transmitted in a way no one can intercept. Not even him! Bell says we must have our love notes dictated to us after they are sent, and only then may true love be known! Until then, the notes are written in all languages, as both hate and love, war and peace! Bell says Bob won't love Alice until Alice loves Bob! That Bob's note re-writes itself before his love can be unrequited because Bob refuses to get dumped!