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Ya, running a public cloud and competing against Amazon, I can see why he has so much angst about VMs. The reality is, the market wants what Amazon is selling a

Ya, running a public cloud and competing against Amazon, I can see why he has so much angst about VMs. The reality is, the market wants what Amazon is selling and no amount of blasting VMs is going to undo that. https://www.joyent.com/public-cloud/aws-comparison https://www.joyent.com/public-cloud/aws-comparison The funny thing is he almost gets it right at the beginning of the talk about how Docker focused on the developer. That's what made Amazon successful. Who is using Joyent? https://www.joyent.com/about/customers https://www.joyent.com/about/customers

nrr 11y ago
> Who is using Joyent? Folks for whom a business relationship with Amazon is not possible because of competitive reasons, for one. Regulatory compliance is another. There're also some big names using Joyent (one of whom is a Fortune 1 company last I heard…) whose policies endorsing third parties are too restrictive to allow their trademarks to be used there.
- hayksaakian 11y ago
  Would that be walmart? i just googled 'fortune 1' and that was the first result
  - nrr 11y ago
    I actually can't confirm that! What I said in my comment previous ("Fortune 1 company") is exactly what I heard over the course of one of Bryan Cantrill's other talks. That said, though, I'm sure that'd be the intended inference.
    - cthalupa 11y ago
      My understanding is that the bulk of Walmart's compute is run on a private openstack setup, after migrating it off of Rackspace. https://gigaom.com/2015/02/17/openstack-comes-up-huge-for-walmart/ https://gigaom.com/2015/02/17/openstack-comes-up-huge-for-wa...
      - dmourati 11y ago
        My understanding is that a portion is on OpenStack, a portion is on legacy bare-metal, and a portion is in the Public Cloud (Rackspace and presumably some Joyent per this thread). Source: I work with a bunch of ex-WM employees and have interviewed a bunch more over the past six months.
scribu 11y ago
> the market wants what Amazon is selling You say that as if it's an immutable fact, as permanent as the laws of nature. Market demand changes all the time. > no amount of blasting VMs is going to undo that. I wouldn't be so certain, especially if you have strong performance and ergonomic arguments to back you up. Even more so if you actually have a better alternative to offer.
- dmourati 11y ago
  Strong opinion, weakly held. If you have any evidence to counter AWS cloud dominance please do share. Sources: http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2015/05/28/gartner-aws-pulls-further-ahead-in-iaas-cloud-market/ http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2015/05/28/gartn..., http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/194876/5-things-we-learned-about-aws-from-amazons-q3-earnings http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/194876/5-things-we-learned-a...
  - scribu 11y ago
    AWS is clearly dominant right now, as your links show. What I'm disagreeing with is the idea that it will be dominant in the future. On the other hand, who's to say they won't start offering containers on bare-metal and keep their lead?
enos_feedler 11y ago
Nearly everyone who was ever disrupted had the exact the same attiude that you emit here. Blockbuster video probably thought "the market wants what we are renting! physical media ftw baby" fast forward and they are dead. I'm being dramatic here and I obviously don't think amazon will die. But lets re-visit this post in 5 years and I bet AWS is selling a lot more bare metal. Because thats what the market will want.

nrr 11y ago

> Who is using Joyent? Folks for whom a business relationship with Amazon is not possible because of competitive reasons, for one. Regulatory compliance is another. There're also some big names using Joyent (one of whom is a Fortune 1 company last I heard…) whose policies endorsing third parties are too restrictive to allow their trademarks to be used there.

hayksaakian 11y ago
Would that be walmart? i just googled 'fortune 1' and that was the first result
- nrr 11y ago
  I actually can't confirm that! What I said in my comment previous ("Fortune 1 company") is exactly what I heard over the course of one of Bryan Cantrill's other talks. That said, though, I'm sure that'd be the intended inference.
  - cthalupa 11y ago
    My understanding is that the bulk of Walmart's compute is run on a private openstack setup, after migrating it off of Rackspace. https://gigaom.com/2015/02/17/openstack-comes-up-huge-for-walmart/ https://gigaom.com/2015/02/17/openstack-comes-up-huge-for-wa...
    - dmourati 11y ago
      My understanding is that a portion is on OpenStack, a portion is on legacy bare-metal, and a portion is in the Public Cloud (Rackspace and presumably some Joyent per this thread). Source: I work with a bunch of ex-WM employees and have interviewed a bunch more over the past six months.

scribu 11y ago

> the market wants what Amazon is selling You say that as if it's an immutable fact, as permanent as the laws of nature. Market demand changes all the time. > no amount of blasting VMs is going to undo that. I wouldn't be so certain, especially if you have strong performance and ergonomic arguments to back you up. Even more so if you actually have a better alternative to offer.

dmourati 11y ago
Strong opinion, weakly held. If you have any evidence to counter AWS cloud dominance please do share. Sources: http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2015/05/28/gartner-aws-pulls-further-ahead-in-iaas-cloud-market/ http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2015/05/28/gartn..., http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/194876/5-things-we-learned-about-aws-from-amazons-q3-earnings http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/194876/5-things-we-learned-a...
- scribu 11y ago
  AWS is clearly dominant right now, as your links show. What I'm disagreeing with is the idea that it will be dominant in the future. On the other hand, who's to say they won't start offering containers on bare-metal and keep their lead?

enos_feedler 11y ago

Nearly everyone who was ever disrupted had the exact the same attiude that you emit here. Blockbuster video probably thought "the market wants what we are renting! physical media ftw baby" fast forward and they are dead. I'm being dramatic here and I obviously don't think amazon will die. But lets re-visit this post in 5 years and I bet AWS is selling a lot more bare metal. Because thats what the market will want.