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That is too funny for laughs in the context of this tragedy. You are actually defending a group of people who would be happy to detonate a nuclear weapon in yo

That is too funny for laughs in the context of this tragedy. You are actually defending a group of people who would be happy to detonate a nuclear weapon in your city if they could, today.

TeMPOraL 11y ago
'gnaritas not defending them but points out that the way you expressed your opinion suggests you have the same hatred in you that makes terrorist radicals a problem. If we accept this attitude, it'll mean that we have already destroyed ourselves and terrorists have won.
- rebootthesystem 11y ago
  > the way you expressed your opinion suggests you have the same hatred in you Can you please give me an example? Hatred? I think some of you are reading whatever it is you want to read into a comment rather than what is being said. I never said I want to kill them. Anywhere. I actually want to leave them alone, literally. I fail to see any hatred in that at all. I think you guys have completely distorted what I've written and replaced it with a twisted interpretation. Please read it again. And this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10568450 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10568450 These ideologies don't belong in the western world. They hate us. So give them exactly what they want: Let them live by their rules within their own kingdom and without any western contact or influence. What this means is: No planes, trains or automobiles from the west. No medicine from the west. No iphones or computers from the west. They think women should not be educated, so they don't get to benefit from anything from the west where women with even a high school education might have been involved in any capacity. And we don't buy anything from them, including oil. They get their own chunk of land with a beautiful wall around it (let's get Trump on that) and we sever all contact and trade with them for 200 years. They can have a fucking riot of a time with their crazy ideology and they cease to be a part of the western world. It will be like we don't exists to them and they don't exist to us. I don't want to kill them. I want to give them total freedom to live as they wish to live and have them enjoy total isolation from the cultures they so highly despise. What is your solution?
gnaritas 11y ago
No, I'm saying you're just like them. You'd be happy to do the same to them, you're as tribal and brutal as they are. > We are not the problem. They are. Exactly the same position they claim, and the same position every group who wants to wipe out another groups claims. No one who derives their morality from a old book has any claim on reason and Muslims aren't any more right or wrong than every other religion out there; they're all equally insane with varying levels of violence. The problem isn't terrorists, it isn't Islam, it isn't Muslims; the problem, as it always has been, is religion and tribalism.
- rebootthesystem 11y ago
  > the same position every group who wants to wipe out another groups claims. I have no clue where you read that I want to "wipe them out". That's interesting. If you read my other comments you'll see I have zero interest in wiping them out. For some reason people like to read "kill them all" when someone says we need to deal with them once and for all. I don't want to kill them, I want to never have them be a part of our world by means of segregation. Total segregation. They obviously hate the western way of life. OK, well, wish granted! In other words, give them a place to live where they can live by whatever rules they care to live by and be as crazy as they want to be. They --the crazy's-- don't get to live in Paris, New York, Munich or Tokyo. The get to live in their own little part of the world and we sever all contact with them --in or out-- for 200 years. They don't get to benefit from anything the western world and cultures they so despise has to offer and we don't buy anything from them, including their oil. Closed borders, have a great time with your crazy ideology, live long and prosper. Done. I don't want to kill them. We don't need to. I want to give them exactly what they want: A place and the isolation to live by their rules. We just need them to not be a part of our society in any way. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10568450 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10568450
  - gnaritas 11y ago
    > For some reason people like to read "kill them all" when someone says we need to deal with them once and for all. Yes, because that's what "once and for all" means. If you didn't intend that, then my bad, but it's the common interpretation of the phrase. > I don't want to kill them, I want to never have them be a part of our world by means of segregation. Total segregation. That's simply not realistic at all. > In other words, give them a place to live where they can live by whatever rules they care to live by and be as crazy as they want to be. They already have that in the middle east, we just keep going in and killing them because we're warmongers and we think our economic interests are more important than their lives. > They --the crazy's-- don't get to live in Paris, New York, Munich or Tokyo. That's also not realistic, who gets to define "they", you're just pulling some McCarthyism all over again. Your proposed solution quite simply just isn't realistic, we live in a global society now, the economy of all nations is linked, we need to find ways to get along, not find ways to isolate which will only lead to more wars, more terrorism, and more death.

That is too funny for laughs in the context of this tragedy. You are actually defending a group of people who would be happy to detonate a nuclear weapon in your city if they could, today.

TeMPOraL 11y ago

'gnaritas not defending them but points out that the way you expressed your opinion suggests you have the same hatred in you that makes terrorist radicals a problem. If we accept this attitude, it'll mean that we have already destroyed ourselves and terrorists have won.

rebootthesystem 11y ago
> the way you expressed your opinion suggests you have the same hatred in you Can you please give me an example? Hatred? I think some of you are reading whatever it is you want to read into a comment rather than what is being said. I never said I want to kill them. Anywhere. I actually want to leave them alone, literally. I fail to see any hatred in that at all. I think you guys have completely distorted what I've written and replaced it with a twisted interpretation. Please read it again. And this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10568450 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10568450 These ideologies don't belong in the western world. They hate us. So give them exactly what they want: Let them live by their rules within their own kingdom and without any western contact or influence. What this means is: No planes, trains or automobiles from the west. No medicine from the west. No iphones or computers from the west. They think women should not be educated, so they don't get to benefit from anything from the west where women with even a high school education might have been involved in any capacity. And we don't buy anything from them, including oil. They get their own chunk of land with a beautiful wall around it (let's get Trump on that) and we sever all contact and trade with them for 200 years. They can have a fucking riot of a time with their crazy ideology and they cease to be a part of the western world. It will be like we don't exists to them and they don't exist to us. I don't want to kill them. I want to give them total freedom to live as they wish to live and have them enjoy total isolation from the cultures they so highly despise. What is your solution?

gnaritas 11y ago

No, I'm saying you're just like them. You'd be happy to do the same to them, you're as tribal and brutal as they are. > We are not the problem. They are. Exactly the same position they claim, and the same position every group who wants to wipe out another groups claims. No one who derives their morality from a old book has any claim on reason and Muslims aren't any more right or wrong than every other religion out there; they're all equally insane with varying levels of violence. The problem isn't terrorists, it isn't Islam, it isn't Muslims; the problem, as it always has been, is religion and tribalism.

rebootthesystem 11y ago
> the same position every group who wants to wipe out another groups claims. I have no clue where you read that I want to "wipe them out". That's interesting. If you read my other comments you'll see I have zero interest in wiping them out. For some reason people like to read "kill them all" when someone says we need to deal with them once and for all. I don't want to kill them, I want to never have them be a part of our world by means of segregation. Total segregation. They obviously hate the western way of life. OK, well, wish granted! In other words, give them a place to live where they can live by whatever rules they care to live by and be as crazy as they want to be. They --the crazy's-- don't get to live in Paris, New York, Munich or Tokyo. The get to live in their own little part of the world and we sever all contact with them --in or out-- for 200 years. They don't get to benefit from anything the western world and cultures they so despise has to offer and we don't buy anything from them, including their oil. Closed borders, have a great time with your crazy ideology, live long and prosper. Done. I don't want to kill them. We don't need to. I want to give them exactly what they want: A place and the isolation to live by their rules. We just need them to not be a part of our society in any way. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10568450 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10568450
- gnaritas 11y ago
  > For some reason people like to read "kill them all" when someone says we need to deal with them once and for all. Yes, because that's what "once and for all" means. If you didn't intend that, then my bad, but it's the common interpretation of the phrase. > I don't want to kill them, I want to never have them be a part of our world by means of segregation. Total segregation. That's simply not realistic at all. > In other words, give them a place to live where they can live by whatever rules they care to live by and be as crazy as they want to be. They already have that in the middle east, we just keep going in and killing them because we're warmongers and we think our economic interests are more important than their lives. > They --the crazy's-- don't get to live in Paris, New York, Munich or Tokyo. That's also not realistic, who gets to define "they", you're just pulling some McCarthyism all over again. Your proposed solution quite simply just isn't realistic, we live in a global society now, the economy of all nations is linked, we need to find ways to get along, not find ways to isolate which will only lead to more wars, more terrorism, and more death.